[kragen]

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them

as agumonkey implicitly points out in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41559110, though, 'java' is the name of the world's most popular island. i wonder if the indonesian government could be persuaded to support the trademark revocation

[verandaguy]

"Don't anthropomorphise the lawnmower[0]"

— Brian Cantrill on Larry Ellison, USENIX 2011

  [0] https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?feature=shared&t=2115

[redslazer]

Iceland the country won its trademark case agains Iceland the supermarket chain so there is probably something to it.

EUIPO "[Iceland Supermarket] cannot reasonably trademark the name of a country that has been around since the 9th century".

[falcor84]

I didn't know that was decided, and was just catching up on it now. This was a fun read:

> Mr Walker and other high-level executives from Iceland (the supermarket), took an emergency delegation to Iceland (the country), where they were met with a cold shoulder.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/iceland-country-secur...

[yarg]

It wasn't really a java implementation - they used the APIs, but broke compatibility.

[cxr]

Geez, not this shit again. (One of the many ways you could tell Oracle was doomed in trying to find and convincingly argue a tenable position against Google: half the people half the time argued that Google should be sued for implementing Java, and the other half the time argued that they should be sued for not implementing Java.)

[yarg]

If you can't run jars, it's not a java implementation.

[nineteen999]

You mean zip files with a jar extension?

[yarg]

Yes the external format of a jar file is a zip - but there is also a specification for the internal structure and file formats, as well as information like the minimum java version required to execute (and all sorts of other crap, I can't really say since I haven't actually looked - these are just some sane enough minimums).

But anyway, no need to be snide.

[falcor84]

Oh, I wasn't aware of that - what did they change?

[yarg]

The ability to launch a jar?

[kragen]

to me this sounds like a claim that gcc on linux isn't really a c compiler because linux can't run a .com file compiled with turbo c for ms-dos

[yarg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once,_run_anywhere

[pimlottc]

Most /populous/ island is what I presume you mean.

[kragen]

yes, thank you, that was a stupid mistake on my part!

[elzbardico]

“It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!”

[saati]

I don't think your death stops them from going after your estate.