[bigstrat2003]

Be that as it may, if the scrum guide explicitly says they shouldn't then it isn't really fair to blame scrum for that.

Honestly, the recurring complaints with scrum, agile, etc basically boil down to this: shitty organizations can make any system miserable. People generally are blaming the intermediate cause (how we do scrum sucks) rather than the root cause (our company sucks and nothing would work).

[Aeolun]

We blame scrum because the framework provided makes it a lot easier for life to be miserable.

[rerdavies]

Compared to what?

You haven't truly experienced process misery until you've done a 4 year death march in a waterfall process.

[bboygravity]

Oh, the good old "the user is doing it wrong, the product is fine" with scrum being the product.

Can anybody (not PM/leader) give 1 example of a company where they saw scrum being done "correctly"?

crickets

I guess scrum is fine and people just don't know how to do it properly.

[albedoa]

Man, I agree with your specific criticism of the "No True Scotsman" refrain and with the larger criticisms of scrum, but this is an example of scrum prescribing X and companies doing !X, the literal opposite.

How could scrum, the product, possibly be to blame for that even if it sucks? Or, at what point is it reasonable to blame the PM/leader for actively and knowingly practicing !$scrum while pretending it's $scrum?

[randomdata]

Companies try prescribing X, but as developers have no reason to care X doesn't happen without strict oversight by management, thus leading to !X to keep them in line.

Is the gun with a 180º bend in the barrel, with a caution label that says "WARNING: Don't shoot yourself in the face", that sees everyone who tries using it shoot themselves in the face the user's fault, or could we say that the product is faulty?

If a product relies on weasel words to try and pass its flaws off as being the user's fault, at what point is the product to blame? If one person uses it wrong, perhaps you can say that one person was doing something out of the ordinary, but when every person uses it wrong...?

[rerdavies]

Me. I've worked in a company where scrum was being done properly. It is wonderful.