[JonChesterfield]

> Intel has expertise and talented engineers.

Intel certainly had those things. It has lots of interesting IP around processor design and tooling locked away in source control and so forth.

I think it is critically important whether Intel has retained the engineers who knew how to build world class products. Nehalem was excellent and shipped in 2008 so I'm sure they had the skills back then. They used to have a reputation for paying well.

It seems plausible that Intel is a bureaucratic horror show that no longer pays competitively, in which case it would be difficult to see why the engineers would still be there. Especially with redundancy offers waved around roughly annually.

I reckon they're dead.

[GianFabien]

It is the same old story. Once the bean counters take charge, pandering to Wall St becomes the one and only priority. Engineering is deemed an expense and thus has to be cut and cut. The old experienced engineers retire and the new generation of engineers gravitate to companies with more favorable culture.

McDonnell Douglas takeover Boeing is an example.

[cokeandpepsi]

Pandering to the people who own the company seems normal

[rocqua]

It is also a great way to ruin a company. Especially if you are pandering to the wider market.

[jacooper]

If their latest cpus that beat apples m in battery life while still using X86 are anything to go by, these people seem to still be there.