[abraxas]

There are people who are trying to strip away that complexity. FastHTML and HTMX are showing the direction of where the wind is blowing in my opinion.

Now the fact that it looks and feels almost like a new flavor of JSP is another matter. I think the HATEOAS model was tried tested and true and just needed a bit more refinement rather than the total overhaul that SPAs+JSON APIs brought in.

[PaulHoule]

I don’t think HATEOAS is harmful but acronyms like it contribute to the feeling of overwhelm.

[abraxas]

That's fair. I think being in this ecosystem makes us forget how much implied knowledge we assume from the audience.