| > But to outsiders, having the US say how bad and evil Russia is for illegally invading Ukraine sounds ridiculous when the US illegally invaded Iraq only 20 years ago with equally absurd justification. I don’t remember US trying to re-establish its long gone failed empire that collapsed under its own weight. > The only thing I can see is that Iraq was run by a crappy dictator, while Ukraine was a troubled and corrupt democracy. “The only” > Otherwise, it was really just as bad. Just as bad? Don’t be ridiculous, Jesus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_war_crimes And the war isn’t over yet! I can’t imagine how much more shitshow is happening in the background in occupied territories and how much has already happened in 10 years. > The US's claim that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda on a WMD program is probably even more absurd than Russia's claim that Nazis are running Ukraine. For an outside viewer, first one looks far more plausible than the second one. > Basically all the major powers are bad guys. Some are just worse than others. In the mid-2000s, the US was the worst; today, Russia is the worst with China a close 2nd (constantly threatening an invasion of Taiwan and bullying their SCS neighbors). No, US wasn’t the worst in 2000s. Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine. https://istpublishing.org/en/russian-colonialism-101-maksym-... Not even talking about terror on her own people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anna_Politk... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster And many more. |
No, it was trying to maintain an empire of sorts.
>“The only”
What difference do you see in the justification for these wars?
>Just as bad? Don’t be ridiculous, Jesus.
I'm not. It's just as bad. I'm not talking about war crimes; if you had bothered to read more carefully, you'd see I was talking about justifications for the wars, not how the wars were actually conducted once underway. Of course, the US did far better.
>For an outside viewer, first one looks far more plausible than the second one.
How so? Any fool could see at the time that there were no WMD, that the US was rushing to a war on flimsy evidence, and the whole idea that Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda was simply made up, when all the hijackers were actually from Saudi Arabia. I could see it was all BS at the time, and I was just someone watching the news.
>No, US wasn’t the worst in 2000s.
I'm pretty sure the US invasion of Iraq resulted in more civilian deaths than Russia's actions in the 2000s.
And how is the Kursk incident evidence of some kind of evil? It was incompetence and stupidity, sure, but it was an accident: it's not like Russia's government wanted a disaster on their own submarine. What a bizarre comment.