[marcosdumay]

No city has enough space for all the roads everybody need to get everywhere by car. You'd pave the entire city and it would still not be enough.

But, of course, the people saying "better streets would only make people drive more" are stupid. It's just that the people insisting one can do everything by car are also stupid.

[exe34]

> But, of course, the people saying "better streets would only make people drive more" are stupid.

that's right, better streets and more parking area will deter car use.

[bluGill]

The only people saying that are sarcastic. cut it out, it isn't halping anything.

what people want is to do things. They want better streets and more parking because they think it will help them - induced demand proves they are right. If you don't like it then work on a real answer, great transit for example (not the transit for people with 5 DWIs that we are trying to punish - which is what all most people see, no wonder they don't want it.)

[exe34]

we have pretty good transit in Europe. it's America that worships cars. just one more lane.

[bluGill]

Europe has a lot more people in cars than on transit. in general the cities are somewhat petter but there is a lot of room to do better. not that you are wrong but you need to do better not focus on butting down the us.

[exe34]

yes, I wouldn't want to upset any American snowflakes! America good. Great success!

[bluGill]

Who said anything about America? Take a look at yourself: Sweden, Spain, Italy, France, Germany - each does some really good things that are not repeated in other countries. That list is not exhaustive, but there is a reason each country is on the list, do you know what you have to learn because they are better than you (unless one of them happens to be you). Then look at the larger world - what are your learning from Chile, South Korea, Japan... Again not an exhaustive list, but each country has significant things they are doing better than you. Even in America, New York city, or Seattle, have things to teach you, but no you have to look down on America and so won't learn the good instead, you just want to feel better than us because of the bad things.

[bluGill]

You can go up and down and find plenty of space.

of course that is even more expensive.

[marcosdumay]

Or you invest on something that uses less space for the more fixed routes people do. And let them use cars on the more diverse routes...

[bluGill]

That is the affordable answer.