[gringomorcego]

anyone want a dish with ad hominem and a sprinkling of superiority?

You're right, moe probably hasn't shipped anything. I haven't either.

But that doesn't mean that it's okay for you guys to treat engineers like this. Because one of them might just realize how undervalued and mistreated they are, and think about starting their own comapany...

[Dave5314]

and when they do they'll realize that building a company is fucking tough and sometimes you might have to ask your team to work long hours. None of the Cue engineers that have commented on here have said that they are undervalued or mistreated. It was a team decision - they want impact, they love their product. They wanted to work.

Frankly I'm disappointed that so many folks on hacker news think working long hours on a product is abusive. Newsflash--journalist work long hours to beat deadlines, musicians spend days in the studio recording their music, politicians and their aides spend long hours on the campaign trail, writers write well into the night. If you want to change the world, you going to have to bust your ass doing it.

And p.s. Moe has continually behaved like an ass on this forum, making snide insulting comments to countless people. He's the last person anyone should be white knighting. He's served an entire buffet of "ad hominem" and superiority. It's time he got called out for his dickish ways.

[gringomorcego]

Hey, as long as they have founder shares, im all for whatever your gung-ho routine entails

[Dave5314]

God forbid people actually work on something because they love it and want impact. In majority of those professions I detailed above, they make much much less than engineers but they still work hard and work long hours. Not everyone is mercenary. Why do you think so many rich people in tech still work? still build? If it's just about shares and profits, then head to finance. though I doubt they'd appreciate the whinging about long hours....