[KronisLV]

> Gosh, I'm so happy I was able to jump of the k8s hype train. This is not something SMBs should be using. Now I happily manage my fleet of services without large infra overhead via my own paas over Docker Swarm. :)

I mean, I also use Docker Swarm and it's pretty good, especially with Portainer.

To me, the logical order of tools goes with scale a bit like this: Docker Compose --> Docker Swarm --> Hashicorp Nomad / Kubernetes

(with maybe Podman variety of tools where needed)

I've yet to see a company that really needs the latter group of options, but maybe that's because I work in a country that's on the smaller side of things.

All that being said, however, both Nomad and some K8s distributions like K3s https://k3s.io/ can be a fairly okay experience nowadays. It's just that it's also easy to end up with more complexity than you need. I wonder if it's going to be the meme about going full circle and me eventually just using shared hosting with PHP or something again, though so far containers feel like the "right" choice for shipping things reasonably quickly, while being in control of how resources are distributed.

[b_shulha]

While k3s make k8s easier for sure, it still comes with lots of complexity on board just because it is k8s. :)

Nowaday I prefer simple tooling over "flexible" for my needs.

Enterprises, however, should stick to k8s-alike solutions, as there are just too many variables everywhere: starting from security, and ending the software architecture itself.