[cjbgkagh]

By giving people what they want. A lot of this emergent behavior falls out of doing good search science. By optimizing other metrics YouTube etc are giving people less of what they want and more of what YouTube wants. YouTube would be useless if I couldn’t ban so many channels from my recommended feeds.

At the early stages of TikTok there was some controversy that diverse, disabled, marginalized etc people were being underrepresented compared to other platforms and we now see how that turned out.

I don’t necessarily think it’s a good idea to give people what they want and I consider TikTok to be so addictive that I’ve avoided using it, but it’s definitely a successful idea.

[goatsi]

>At the early stages of TikTok there was some controversy that diverse, disabled, marginalized etc people were being underrepresented compared to other platforms and we now see how that turned out.

The controversy was that they were being actively suppressed as a moderation decision.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

[cjbgkagh]

There is more than one way to give people what they want, and in my haste I clumsily muddled two of them. All the platforms are being moderated heavily with thumbs on the scales to advantage one group over another.

My personal preference would be to have no thumbs on the scales.

Additionally I hate TikTok for the intentional addictive mechanism that requires an attention 'ante' to find out if a video is interesting by preventing jumping to a later point in the video to see where it is going. Basically gambling but with attention instead of currency, the algorithm optimized to give the user just enough to keep them coming back but not too much to satiate their desires.

Search Science is one of those research domains where it appears things are going backwards, google barely works anymore, facebook videos was terrible from the start and AFAIK stayed that way, YouTube only works for me because I have a subscribe list to people I support on Patreon. Amazon is being flooded with duplicate listings which should be trivial to de-dupe and clean up but I guess they suck at search science as well. If Amazon doesn't fix their search and fake good problem people might as well buy from Temu. Almost forgot, Twitter can't find bots that are so easy to find that they become 'X in bio' memes.

[WillPostForFood]

FWIW, you can fast forward or jump to any point in a TikTok video - just start dragging on the bottom of the screen and a scrubber will appear. Or tap to pause and a playback bar will dispay.

In practice, you are right that there is an attention ante; most videos are short enough to sit through them to see the payoff without making the effort to scrub.

[cal85]

> we now see how that turned out

how? no idea what you’re referring to.

[dqv]

Yeah. It’s highly addictive. I have screentime for “fun apps” set to 30 mins now because it will suck you in for hours if you’re not careful.

[dgfitz]

I can honestly say I’ve never viewed a single tiktok video, and I intend to keep this true.

Fuck that noise.

[foobarchu]

Are you okay with instagram reels and YouTube shorts, or is it all short form content you object to? Large swaths of tiktok is cross posted to other platforms, so if you use those other ones then chances are you have watched plenty of tiktok content.

[dgfitz]

No, this is my only form of social media beyond some group friend chats. I slap ”Reddit” on the end of searches sometimes if that counts for anything.

[GardenLetter27]

It also has a lot of educational content, etc. - just like YouTube or Twitch.

[dgfitz]

So does the Bible

Edit: as does the Art of War, the Quran, the 1981 fall almanac, etc. education is almost a farce in 2024