[samldev]

I switched from Svelte/SvelteKit to Svelte/Laravel and my productivity went through the roof. Same would apply with Rails or probably other batteries included backends. SvelteKit gives you SSR but that’s it. Laravel/Rails/etc gives you database, queues, real time support, authentication, authorization, the list goes on.

I plan to make my next YouTube video making my case for why Laravel is better with Svelte than SvelteKit is https://youtube.com/@samldev

[KaoruAoiShiho]

What's a Laravel equivalent in JS so we can stick with 1 language instead of using PHP?

[ncphillips]

There isn't one. There's been a couple attempts but they just don't hit the mark like Rails or Laravel do.

Honestly, the upside of 1 language is not that high. Don't be afraid of PHP, it isn't the same language it was 15 years ago. I've been programming JS for 10 years but only been using PHP for a year, it's weird but it's got some nice parts too.

[banashark]

Adonisjs, which is explicitly stated as taking major influence from laravel: https://adonisjs.com/

[KaoruAoiShiho]

Doesn't have the featureset or community unfortunately

[mgkimsal]

What if there isn't one?

[jitl]

Redwoodjs seems active, Sails seems less active, Adonisjs I’ve heard of.

The lack of a clear leader Rails clone in NodeJS land is probably the ecosystem’s biggest weakness. The downstream effect is theres a bunch of typical libraries/clients are just… MIA in the node ecosystem. Like, there’s no production grade Memcached client for node. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We had to fork one & heavily patch it for Notion.

[miohtama]

One (not only) of the problem is that you cannot do it in JavaScript very well due to poor underlying support for types. You neded TypeScript to have the equicalent of ActiveRecord or Django model.

[jitl]

This doesn’t follow because both Django and Rails evolved in languages without a type checking compiler. Rails is super dynamic in ways that would make Typescript type checker kind of sad.

[miohtama]

Thank you. I asked about SvelteKit vs. Inertia, not Laravel.

[halfcat]

It’s not really a valid comparison. Inertia isn’t a full stack solution like SvelteKit. You pair Inertia with a backend.

The whole point of it is it bridges the backend you know (Laravel, Rails, Django) with frontends (React, etc), without having to mess with JSON APIs.

[miohtama]

SvelteKit is not a “full” (depending on the definition what full means) stack solution either, and is commonly used with backends like Django or Rails. For example, it does not have its own ORM.

[0xblinq]

You’re still not getting what inertia is and keep asking dumb questions that make no sense. Please, check inertia docs. It has nothing to do with sveltekit/next/nuxt.