[aeurielesn]

I'm shocked people in this thread think technological and research advancement means breaking laws and stealing copyrighted data.

I'm hoping for this article to show up again on the frontpage on a EU timezone where I can read some civilized discussion about it.

[falcolas]

Move fast and break things has always been a popular slogan in the startup industry, and "things" is quite often a replacement word for "laws I disagree with".

Plus, many technologists believe that copyright should be outright abolished, again because they disagree with it. No matter that around 40%† of the US' GDP is generated by industries which make use of copyright protection.

† https://www.uspto.gov/ip-policy/economic-research/intellectu...

[aeurielesn]

All of them can be abused but patents are the most abusable among IP protections.

[rpdillon]

> stealing copyrighted data.

As ever, I'll be a pedant and point out that "stealing copyrighted data" is not a thing.

More substantively, we don't know whether training is copyright infringement or not. The courts have yet to weigh in in any jurisdiction I'm aware of (i.e. the EU or the US).

[aeurielesn]

I didn't make any statements about rulings. I just commented about what seems to be the general sentiment this time around.

As others pointed out, if LLM startups have to go broke after not being able to steal any more data then that will just be the reality of it.

[jaggs]

Hmm...it's not "steal any more data". Stealing is taking property belonging to another, with the intention to permanently deprive.

[xigoi]

> As ever, I'll be a pedant and point out that "stealing copyrighted data" is not a thing.

I’m sure that if you somehow got access to ChatGPT weights and started selling them, OpenAI would be happy to call it stealing.

[rpdillon]

I'm really only concerned with what the courts call it.

[tim333]

It's dubious as to whether LLMs are breaking the law even if this one study says they are. But it hasn't gone to court in the EU I think.