[mogoh]

Always, when I read those postings that praise Swift, I wonder how good is the developer experience is if you don't use any of the Apple/MacOS ecosystem (except Swift, of course). I have not met any Swift developer who is not developing on macOS, usually for macOS. That makes me very skeptical that non-Mac devs are treated as second-class citizens. I am not only talking about the standard library, but also about the tooling, LSP, libraries, tutorials and so on. I totally believe that Swift is a good language, but I guess it is only good if you are on macOS.

If you are developing with Swift but not using a Mac at all, I would love to hear how your experience has been.

[pzo]

And even on MacOS you are limited - you cannot avoid not using Xcode pretty much. So in practice you cannot just only use VSCode or Jetbrains IDEs. There is been a talk in WWDC 2024 that apple invest with Swift for embedding systems and some language servers but not sure how mature it is. Apple doesn't have crossplatform in their DNA.

[bryancoxwell]

I recently went through the Swift tutorial for building a REST API using Vapor[0]. I used VSCode, compiled and run on Ubuntu. It’s the only Swift I’ve ever written, and obviously far from a production app, but I did enjoy it enough that it made me want to continue playing with Swift outside of the XCode/Mac ecosystem. [0]: https://www.swift.org/getting-started/vapor-web-server/

[mogoh]

It's not much, but it's something. Thanks