[thom]

What you’re seeing sounds familiar but definitely not new. I’ve used Clojure professionally for 15 years and at no point in that time have you been guaranteed critical mass around any library or framework. Clojure has always been a small ecosystem of high variance people and projects. You get things like Rama and Electric which are bold reimaginings of what systems could look like, but you also get a lot of short lived, burnt out efforts that fizzled.

The good news is nothing really _breaks_ ever, and you have access to the entire JVM ecosystem if you want it (many Clojure people find Java interop icky which I personally find moronic).

[pjmlp]

Ironically, Clojure seems to be the only guest language on the JVM where the community is welcoming of the platform that makes their existence possible in first place.

Similarly to how Groovy used to be, but I am not counting it as it seems only to be around to power Gradle and little else.

Scala and Kotlin folks speak too much about replacing Java, yet I am yet to see their native variants match JVM in any form or fashion.

Even if we take Android into consideration, Google was forced to update their Java support, as means to keep Java libraries ecosystem available for Android developers and their beloved Kotlin.

[asa400]

I don’t do much Clojure anymore (I wish I did!) but agreed on all points. The JVM interop is such a huge, huge advantage that it’s hard to express to people who aren’t used it.

[eduction]

Electric looks outstanding. It seems like the sort of thing that would take some time to spread but once it does and people take the time to learn it it could be huge.