[WalterBright]

I understand it well enough by reading history books on what happened in them. Have you ventured out of academic theories and read any histories of Marxist attempts?

Why should I waste time on a theory that has been proven false every time it was tried?

It's up to you to justify it, not me.

[Apocryphon]

I'm not a Marxist so I have no interest in justifying their theories. However, if I made my personal brand all about being what a staunch anti-Marxist I am, I would hazard an effort to try to understand their position, if for nothing else but to understand why so many others have bought into it, and to be a more effective opponent against it.

[WalterBright]

Marxism is just one of many utopian schemes that do not work. I do not need to study every perpetual motion machine design to dismiss them. It's their job to show that they work.

What amazes me is the people who desperately cling to Marxism despite its 100% failure rate. How can they make a career studying it and never notice its history?

Do you notice that nobody has been able to point to a Marxist success story, after what, 150 years of trying?

BTW, the fundamental flaw of Marxism is it fails to understand basic human nature - that people are selfish. You are selfish, I am selfish, everybody is. Marxism requires rejection of selfishness. This will never work. You cannot cajole it out of people, educate it out, indoctrinate it out, or shoot it out of them. They'll still act selfishly.

Free markets work because it creates a framework where selfishness benefits others.

[Apocryphon]

> I do not need to study every perpetual motion machine design to dismiss them. It's their job to show that they work. What amazes me is the people who desperately cling to Marxism despite its 100% failure rate.

Maybe if you bothered to try to understand the perpetual machine that everyone’s bought into then you wouldn’t be so amazed by people buying into it all of the time

[jujube3]

Maybe he understands it better than you.

[Apocryphon]

Maybe, but he's yet to convey it convincingly.

[kylestlb]

Das Kapital isn't "Marxism" is just a book about economics my guy. "Marxism" didn't exist when Marx was alive. Here to help