[liminalsunset]

Is there any application of "Modern Standby" that is actually delivering significant value to customers somewhere? A lot of the theoretical benefits of it, IMO, have been relatively theoretical. Perhaps Windows updates, but the computers I've used with Modern Standby still have to spend time installing updates when awake.

I cannot imagine what the benefit of receiving notifications and other information like this on a Windows system would be. As far as I know, very, very few apps are programmed for the native "App" development flow (or even to use the notifications api) as opposed to "desktop" apps, and the number only gets smaller as you go into long tail enterprise apps. Perhaps this was designed for Outlook, but I think the use case is dubious.

Of course, there are millions of laptops in the wild, many of which are undoubtedly used by the people who work on Windows. Every time I find the laptop closed and running its fans, or find a computer in a bag that is slightly warm near the CPU (expected behaviour of working Modern Standby), I wonder whether it's just my computer or if it's every single one of them out there. Do people just accept that their computer has to be either shut down or will have an unknown amount of remaining power? It seems like there would have been a huge push to get this fixed if it was really broken, but I rarely hear users talking about it.

Of course I do wonder whether with the advent of the new Qualcomm ARM CPUs, whether they have finally managed to get Modern Standby to be a good clone of what Android devices do...

[sph]

> Is there any application of "Modern Standby" that is actually delivering significant value to customers somewhere?

Why do you think it was created to deliver value to the customer?

It is merely a reason for Microsoft to spy^Hextract value from a customer even when the PC is sleeping. Like humans, laptop spend a third of their life in sleep mode and it would be nice to monetise that time, multiplied by a couple billion users.

I think it is clear that the goal of the Windows division is to milk every user for all their worth. By the time they are done, laptops will be an obsolete product and Microsoft doesn't really want to support Windows 20 more years.

[numpad0]

ok, so show us all it delivering value to Microsoft, then. Malicious executive decisions can be stupid.

[anal_reactor]

Yeah it seems like Microsoft is executing its exit strategy on Windows.

[shiroiushi]

>Is there any application of "Modern Standby" that is actually delivering significant value to customers somewhere?

Why is this important, or even something to consider? The only thing that's important with Windows and features in it is whether something delivers value to Microsoft.

[creshal]

But does it? Nobody asked for it, it's not even meaningfully used by any Microsoft product and can't drive sales for them, its endless litany of bugs just increase support workloads.

[shiroiushi]

You have a good point, but there's probably some department manager who got a big bonus from being able to spin this "feature" as a great thing and implement it.

[thaumasiotes]

Sure, as long as Microsoft can force you to use Windows.

[prmoustache]

> Is there any application of "Modern Standby" that is actually delivering significant value to customers somewhere?

I guess the value is for enterprise users because the ecosystem is so bad.

When I return from sleep on my laptop, my VPN is disconnected and can't reconnect itself automatically as I need to go through the auth + 2FA phase. I am also logged of all Azure AD authenticated web apps and Microsoft web apps like Teams and Outlook are so bad they don't automatically sign in back when you have signed on on other Azure AD resources.

I haven't started my corporate laptop on the original windows 10 for years so I can't compare but I imagine a "modern standby" would have some keepalive on the VPN connections and apps like teams so they don't sign you out?

But in the end this is kind of useless on those Dell laptops because it drains the battery so fast and they have such a low battery life that you just want to shut them down if they are not connected to their docking statino. I guess it serves the people who are on-prem and close the lid to go from one meeting room to another.

But when I was working on-prem I would just configure it to just lock the laptop and would use the sleep shortcut to put the laptop to a normal sleep. Apparently most people were too dumb to figure that out and would walk between their desk and the meeting room awkwardly with the lid up, I can't believe they have managers roles or are even allowed to work in the IT industry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[InfamousRece]

Keeping VPN connections alive could be beneficial. Most current laptops do not have cellular modem though so they will have no internet connection while being transported. VPN will therefore stop working anyway. In fact the entire laptop will stop working when it overheats in the bag.

[bubblethink]

I guess this was pitched by some product person as the feature that brings the laptop on and connects to wifi instantly when you open the lid. All the other uses are post facto justifications. This was all dreamt up when Apple was still on x86. Obviously, now that Apple has superior battery life, these gimmicks don't make any sense.

[Nab443]

Or as a feature that will bring faster pc renewal..

[BlueTemplar]

What I don't understand is, if this issue is so pervasive, why aren't these laptop models getting terrible reviews by both professional and non-professional reviewers ?

[v1ne]

Modern Standby enables much faster return from Standby. You open the lid of your device and it's there. That's not the case with S3. I find it adds a lot of convenience.

[diggernet]

My 10 year old Thinkpad with S3 wakes up in the time it takes to open the lid, with almost as much battery as it had when I put it to sleep days ago.

My shiny new work laptop without S3 wakes up in the same time, and then says "Battery critically low, shutting down."

This is not a convenience, it's insubordination. I told it to sleep, and it didn't.

But you know what's really insane? When the new work laptop is just sitting there with the screen locked and I walk up and hit a key, it takes longer to just display the password box than the 10 year old Thinkpad takes to wake up from S3 and display the password box. (Ok, it's an unfair comparison, Windows vs Linux, but still...)

[dacryn]

you forget the fact that your laptop comes out of your bag with a dead battery and hot enough to cook an egg

Modern standby is making my laptop unpredictable, and that is very inconvenient for me

[consteval]

> That's not the case with S3

How is this the case? Suspend to/from RAM on Linux wakes up in less than a second in my experience. Which makes sense, because everything is still in RAM and systemd doesn't need to do a bunch of work to get everything back online. Maybe Windows has a weird implementation of S3?

[BlueTemplar]

Funny, one of the reason why I started heavily using S4 rather than S3 was because with SSDs the time to restart from swap was so fast that it was barely more an inconvenience.

And S3 is basically «instant».

So I don't see much point in S2Idle/S0ix.

[mr_mitm]

What is actually on standby in modern standby? If it can install updates, it sounds like the only power saving measure is turning off the display.

[vladvasiliu]

> Perhaps this was designed for Outlook, but I think the use case is dubious.

Oh, sweet summer child. I sometimes use Windows on my work machine, complete with the "new" Teams and "new" Outlook. For some reason, these need a while to update when I wake my machine from sleep, even though it usually sleeps connected to power, with a network cord plugged in and in range of Wi-Fi. Teams, in particular, will say it's offline for a few minutes, even though I can browse the web as soon as the box actually becomes interactive.

The computer actually does something while asleep, judging by how hot it gets. But, as you say, it's really not clear what. It will do this even though Defender is deactivated (we have some other handbrake at work which doesn't do a full system scan on its own) and the system is fully up-to-date.