[nyokodo]

> Your view is called Social Darwinism

The only thing either response to your original reply have done is provide uncontroversial and non-conspiratorial reasons why Mondragons are extremely rare. Calling that Social Darwinism is like calling you a Stalinist, a slander based entirely on a superficial similarity of your rhetoric.

[harwoodjp]

You guys are both discussing intelligence hierarchies (wtf?) without regard to actual history of popular labor movements being violently squashed.

[K0balt]

I don’t think that asserting that intellectual capacity tends towards a bell curve distribution is an example of social Darwinism. I think that’s just called a testable hypothesis validated by a plethora of studies.

As for the idea that people that bother to think about things like their social responsibility to humanity are , by default, responsible for guiding humanity (because people that don’t think about such things will not take an active role in that effort , by definition) seems also uncontroversial.

In short, I have no idea what you’re on about.

That said, I’m with you on labor movements, and believe that unions and coops are generally extremely positive things most of the time.

I just don’t expect much from the average person anymore. Decades of observation has made me skeptical of the ability of the Everyman to act in his own best interests, on average.

It’s worth mentioning that it is apparent to me that this inability is fostered in no small part by people and entities that make it their business to subvert otherwise good faith actors that don’t exercise very much independent thought into pursuing goals and supporting policies that are explicitly or covertly not in their collective best interest. Gullible people are gullible, and they are exploited all up and down the political spectrum.

[dpig_]

You'll waste your time expecting materialist analysis from many folks around here.

[Viliam1234]

Maybe the ability and willingness to violently squash others is the highest form of "intelligence"?

If you're so smart, why are you beaten up by my thugs?

[K0balt]

If everyone started at exactly the same point, there might be some validity to the idea that the ability to ensure one’s own security was a useful proxy for intelligence. But, clearly, that’s not the world we live in.

[JoeJonathan]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic