[Red_Leaves_Flyy]

I am especially curious what games you make to have such experiences and strong opinions. Interesting that you left that part out.

[dijit]

It wasn't very important to the point I was making, but in case you're curious;

* The Division and it's sequel The Division 2 (ubisoft games, so- uplay): https://steamcommunity.com/app/2221490/discussions/0/3768983...

* VtM Bloodhunt; which launched on Steam despite being a Tencent property, due to fan backlash.

* RENNSPORT; Where we also bent to pressure from the community and will release early-access on Steam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1dl0v6mevg

First comment on that YT video:

> Good. I refuse to use the Epic Store and I really wanted to check Rennsport out. Glad it's gonna be on Steam.

for context.

[ahartmetz]

Well. Valve is a pretty customer-friendly company, and their customers like them for that. The same does not seem to be true for Epic. That's all.

[hnbear]

That’s great. I loved the Division games and most of the mechanics in them.

I don’t play online and still really enjoyed playing through the stories. I thought it was so much as an NYC dweller to walk around the city in chaos.

They early Covid days made me think of it too, the trailer was fantastic.

[LegitShady]

thats because epic store is trash, and on top of that they buy exclusives, which created a lot of hostility with customers.

I won't make an epic account, not even for free games, after they started with buying exclusives as their first move.

Thats not because valve is a monopoly or because I love valve, but because epic is actively garbage and I won't give them money.

[dijit]

I don't really mind, but you can't levy this same criticism against UPlay and it gets the same level of vitriol.

From the gamedev perspective it just looks like people have decided that Valve is the desired monopoly.

A fact that Valve are very content to use against game developers, it seems.

(I say this, owning an OLED steamdeck and being extremely pleased that proton exists; but don't forget that Proton exists because Microsoft was doing to Valve, what Valve does to game developers, and Valve wanted leverage)

[LegitShady]

I also don't use uplay - I haven't bought a ubisoft game in many years, because uplay is trash and ubisoft is a garbage company.

[dijit]

Thank you for proving my point.

(not sarcasm, I find it ironic and beautiful)

[LegitShady]

But Uplay is trash. It's a totally unnecessary piece of drm with its own login that delays how long it takes to get to playing games. There is nothing positive about it. At the same time I don't think Ubisoft has made a game worth playing since far cry 3, so not buying their games is normal and good.