[gaganyaan]

They can be trivially shown to reason. It's quite normal for many things to have reasoning capacity, including amoeba, sunflowers, cats, LLMs, and humans.

The real issue is establishing the limitations of their reasoning capabilities, and how to improve them.

[Fellshard]

As has been noted in other threads, for a low enough definition of reason, yes, certainly. But even an amoeba appears to reason better than an LLM, which only regurgitates by nature. There is no independent cognition whatsoever, no logical constructs and decisions, no abstractions.

Reducing reasoning beings to the level of AI is an affront to—and demonstrates a genuine lack of understanding of—the nature of organisms and reason itself, and the nature of AI and its capabilites.