[philipov]

> I don't see how we could possibly criminalize anything like that without neutering the ability for a society to come up with new ideas.

But isn't that exactly the point of policies like this? They're intended to dissuade new ideas, such as ideas about who should be in charge of society.

[ceejayoz]

With fairly rare exceptions, most folks are just quibbling over where to draw the lines. Some things - death threats, defrauding people - are clearly both speech and over the line, and letting them go unchecked also "dissuades new ideas".

[macintux]

Even death threats are not “over the line” for everyone.

[ceejayoz]

They are those "fairly rare exceptions", yes.

Like the folks who think the Second Amendment means you can own nukes, or the Libertarian Party folks who don't like drivers' licenses, they're pretty fringe.