[bpmooch]

then they need to stop what they are doing, and learn how to use the system they are running first. there's no value in skipping ahead of basic "power user" learning for your preferred os. if you can't run basic commands, you dont' need to be writing python programs. if your educational institution is not providing you basic knowledge on how to use windows, macos, or linux, they are unfortunately failing you.

[okanat]

This PoV of software is why Excel (or Microsoft products in general) almost always wins against any database or specialized tool for creators, engineers, accountants alike.

macOS (and the entire Unix universe) is a shitty environment for people who rarely / don't need terminal but whose job could be improved by a lot if a scripting language is used.

Microsoft used to champion intermediate users who need more power than mindlessly clicking web pages. They are now turning their products yet another copy of the other systems where you are presented with a cliff as the learning curve.

I disagree completely that a simple programming environment should require terminal access. Terminals are unforgiving for mistakes that a beginner makes. Most of the terminal capabilities should be done in GUIs. One should be able to access all files, edit them, change the OS environment variables and create programming projects in GUIs. We achieved that in 90s already. Why should we go back?