[matheusmoreira]

It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news". As determined by our very own Ministry of Truth. Which is literally headed by the judge-king responsible for this circus. These guys are what happens when xkcd/386 acquires god-king powers.

If I were to follow the same logic as these judges, I would call for your comment to be deleted and for your account to be suspended. After all, you committed the crime of spreading "disinformation" and "misinformation". You were wrong on the internet.

Rejoice, for I do not agree with their logic. You can be wrong on the internet all you want, and I will not call for your censorship. For I believe that is a fundamentally immoral thing to do.

[croes]

You mean the fake news that lead to this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta...

[matheusmoreira]

I mean people's speech. Whether their speech is "fake" or not is up to me to determine. I don't want any ministries of truth determining that for me. Especially not one manned by these partisan judges.

And "this" as in a protest? Like countless others before? Whatever. You're not gonna call it a coup, right? Even the Wikipedia article you cited doesn't call it one.

[croes]

The don't call it protest either.

They call it attack and invasion.

The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed.

And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil.

At a certain point something is obviously fake. And if it's spreading violence it reached the limit of free speech.

[matheusmoreira]

> attack and invasion

Aren't all protests? I don't remember many protests that didn't involve closing down roads, burning things down and whatnot. Protests that don't do things like that are usually so irrelevant they don't get Wikipedia articles written about them.

> The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed.

It's not called a coup because it wasn't one. A coup attempt would be the military seizing power by force. You know, the people with guns and tanks. A successful coup would be the military trying and succeeding.

There's simply no way you can claim a bunch of people, many of them elderly, equipped with bibles and flags, amounts to a coup attempt.

> And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil.

None of which have the power to censor anything. As it should be.

> At a certain point something is obviously fake.

If it's so obviously fake, then you don't need any censorship either. The fakeness will be self-evident.

[croes]

>Aren't all protests? I don't remember many protests that didn't involve closing down roads, burning things down and whatnot. Protests that don't do things like that are usually so irrelevant they don't get Wikipedia articles written about them.

Most protests are peaceful and even the violent one rarely invade government buildings. Whole different level.

>It's not called a coup because it wasn't one. A coup attempt would be the military seizing power by force. You know, the people with guns and tanks. A successful coup would be the military trying and succeeding.

It doesn't have to be the military. Most coups are by the military but it's not a necessity

>There's simply no way you can claim a bunch of people, many of them elderly, equipped with bibles and flags, amounts to a coup attempt.

No, but for a bunch of people who throw pickaxes and hammers at the police I can.

>None of which have the power to censor anything. As it should be.

That's the road to tyranny. Lies spread faster than the truth.

>If it's so obviously fake, then you don't need any censorship either. The fakeness will be self-evident.

Sadly some people fall for obvious fakes. Just look at all the flat earthers.

[matheusmoreira]

> Most protests are peaceful and even the violent one rarely invade government buildings.

Nah. Occupying Brasília buildings is basically the standard brazilian protest at this point. Happened in 2016 as well, and they too insisted the country was suffering a coup, Probably more examples I can't remember off the top of my head.

> It doesn't have to be the military. Most coups are by the military but it's not a necessity.

In this case it absolutely needs to be the military. Because there's no way you can convince me that a bunch of people with bibles and flags tried to seize power in the brazilian capital.

> That's the road to tyranny. Lies spread faster than the truth.

Lies according to whom? You? This judge-king? Yeah, I'll decide for myself, thank you very much. I'm gonna look at the stuff and I'll reach my own conclusions. I don't need or want the judge's help.

> Sadly some people fall for obvious fakes. Just look at all the flat earthers.

Yeah, and? What are we supposed to do about it? "Help" them think correctly? Put the "right" thoughts into their heads? Send them to a forced reeducation camp? The mere thought of someone being that self-righteous is offensive to me. Even if they're right.

The existence of flat earthers is literally not an argument. I think it's illogical but if they want to believe it then it's their problem. It would be incredibly presumptuous of me to try to put the "correct" thoughts into their minds. If they can't be convinced by the study of physics, we're just gonna have to leave them alone and move on with our lives.

If someone can be duped by propaganda into becoming violent in favor of some cause, then democracy is justified in defending itself. Not a second before. And you don't get to "prevent" such things by censoring the speech that led to it either. Any government that steps over that line is a dictatorship.

[chipdart]

> It was not banned for racism, antisemitism and hate speech. It was banned for "fake news".

Not even that. Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity, and instead of complying with the law Elon Musk opted to pull the company out of Brasil.

The funny thing about this shit show was that Twitter's legal representatives were actually complying with the law, but Elon Musk himself was contradicting and undercutting Twitter's representatives in Brasil. Until he simply pulled out of the company from the country, as if that was some kind of legal gotcha. Except that Brasil doesn't fuck around and it's legislation recognizes that there are always real flesh-and-bone people behind corporate structures, this the judge applying the legal consequences of Elon Musk's decisions to Elon Musk's property in Brasil such as Starlink.

[hexage1814]

> Brasil requires media companies to appoint legal representatives to handle complains of illegal activity

If that was the case all millions of sites that operate in Brazil, without having legal representatives in the country, would have to be blocked, which doesn't happen. The truth here is that this Supreme Court "judge", which is more like a de facto dictator at this point, wanted essentially a hostage. Someone who he could jailed to blackmail Musk – as Moraes threaten to do with the previous representative, which was the reason for why Musk shutdown X operation in the country . It's that simple. Them going after Starlink, a totally different legal entity with different investors only proves this mafia-like style and how much of banana republic the whole country became, with zero legal certainty.

You are talking about something you really don't understand, such was what is happening in the country. Nobody outside Brazil is taking the decisions of this judge serious. Not even Interpol, which denied countless Red Notice alerts that this "judge" tried to issue, such as when he tried (and failed) to go after exiled journalist Allan dos Santos living in the USA and Oswaldo Eustáquio living in Spain.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2021/11/interpol-segura-...

https://revistaoeste.com/brasil/pf-nao-inclui-oswaldo-eustaq...

Again, you are really talking about something you have absolutely no idea.