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by kissiel 665 days ago
It's like saying "don't be sad" to depressed people. Helping oneself with environment tweaks and tools like this can help make permanent improvements for neurodiverse folks.
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It's not the same. Will power is a muscle that can be strengthened. Being able to overcome depression is not a great analogy. It's an entirely different category.
> Will power is a muscle that can be strengthened.

That’s at best debatable. We’ve gone back and forth on it.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/have-we-been-thinking-about-willpowe...

I don't think it's debatable in the least, with the caveat that maybe some people have a harder time of it than others, just like some have a harder time putting on physical muscle.
> I don't think it's debatable in the least

That’s not up to you to decide. It is demonstrably and unambiguously debatable because, well, psychologists are debating it and disagreeing on what is true.

It’s your prerogative to firmly believe one side of the debate. If you’re a psychologist it’s also your prerogative to research and actively contribute to that side. But there is no question that we don’t have proven consensus at the moment.

> That’s not up to you to decide.

It's not up to anyone to decide. Facts are facts and until anyone knows for sure. I'm simply stating I'm putting all my money behind one particular theory.

> It is demonstrably and unambiguously debatable because, well, psychologists are debating it and disagreeing on what is true.

Sure, but by that reasoning whether or not the earth is flat is debatable.

When I said, and generally when people say something isn't debatable, they are not saying that it isn't literally debatable, but rather there is sufficient evidence that counter-arguments can be dismissed.

> But there is no question that we don’t have proven consensus at the moment.

We do though. We know it's true for some people. There's no shortage of data corroborating that.

> Sure, but by that reasoning whether or not the earth is flat is debatable.

It is not, because in that instance we have incontrovertible evidence of the truth. It’s just that a minority claims that evidence to be faked.

In psychology we’re working on much shakier ground and it’s widely understood there’s little we know for sure. The field is rife with reproducibility issues.

> We do though. We know it's true for some people. There's no shortage of data corroborating that.

The link I initially shared touches on that point. The evidence we have was observed only on people who believed willpower works like that. Thus it’s not a universal truth.