[aegis4244]

If you're looking for some inexpensive land that can be fairly remote you might do worse than Cochise county AZ. The county has an opt out permit program as long as you have at least 4 rural acres. You can build whatever you want, no permits, no inspections. There are some restrictions. No bank will give you a mortgage, can't sell or rent it out within 2 years. You can live in your RV while you build, for 2 years I think, with a 3 year extension possible. Lots of sun for solar. Rooftop water collection for water. There are some septic options, composting, or traditional. All legal. A few dozen people on youtube building all kinds of off grid natural buildings. They get together once in a while, let you tour their build, ask questions. A little snow in the winter, not many days above 100F. 4000+ feet elevation. Fiber laid in some surprisingly rural areas. No paved roads type areas. Weird, but cool.

I did the full time RV bit in a class A. Hated it. Too small to live in, too big to travel in. Hate that black tank. Had to leave great camping spots once a week to dump and get more water, or hook up to some sort of developed campgrounds. Sucked. Regret not going for a small schoolie to travel in, large house on 5 acres to live in. That's the new plan, anyway. Best of luck.

[gcanyon]

Average rainfall 11 to 41 inches per year -- more than I expected in AZ. Still, to have reasonable water year-round for 2 people you'd need to collect across maybe 10,000 square feet? That's not a small installation.

[ElSucioDan]

Probably more than that since the rain is all concentrated around the months of July and August. Would need to store for the rest of the year too.

[asah]

obviously, you need substantial storage...

what about harvesting water from the air ? I've heard that modern techniques can work in 15% humidity ?

also, trucking in water once a year can augment the supply ? at 10c per gallon, it doesn't seem crazy... https://www.reddit.com/r/TinyHouses/comments/10qj5ey/no_well...

[gcanyon]

I was going off 100 gallons per day per person, which is typical, but can obviously be improved upon. But that said, I don’t want to pay $7000 per year just for water. Plus living remotely like that is just terribly inefficient in general: food, trash, heating/cooling, transportation, water, and just everything all take much more effort/resources to produce in a solo venture like that. I’m not saying I don’t see the appeal, but the Earth could not (even remotely) support everyone living that way.

[jonstewart]

Net zero living looks a lot more like the Upper West Side than a cabin in the woods.

[gcanyon]

There's a reason NY is near the lowest per capita energy consumption for residential usage.

[eek2121]

No idea of the situation there, but rural areas in our part of the world tap underground sources for water. It gets pumped and filtered on premise. Septic is a big tank with a field up front for dispersing fluids/liquids. Commenter below mentioned trash, but if you are applying some basic sustainable living techniques, the amount of trash produced should be minimal to none.

[fshbbdssbbgdd]

I don’t know this specific area, but some deserts you have to drill impractically deep to get to any ground water.

[lazide]

If you’re buying land in AZ without a reliable well or utility hookup, you’re buying a nightmare.

There is plenty of land with reliable water there.

Rainwater for irrigation, maybe. But the reality is, most of AZ gets monsoons a couple months a year, and then essentially zero precipitation. So unless you have land favorable for setting up a dam or something, you’re going to have a hard time living off that kind of setup.

Flagstaff and Phoenix/far south being a bit different.

[idiotsecant]

Or drill a well like most rural people already do...

[KennyBlanken]

> If you're looking for some inexpensive land that can be fairly remote you might do worse than Cochise county AZ

It's pretty hard to do worse than "the very small amount of water is being sucked dry because there are no regulations around water use." Once the water table compacts, it never comes back...

> Rooftop water collection for water.

It's one of the dries parts of the country. Good fucking luck.

A growing number of people in AZ and NV have to have water trucked in, and that is insanely expensive.

[droopyEyelids]

I'm not endorsing it as a sane idea, but for people who think the idea of living on Mars is cool, living in areas like this could push forward development of compatible technologies- like retaining and recycling all water.

Like right now my mind is trying to imagine a solar powered desiccator and water recollection device that could dehydrate all compost and bodily excretions.

[ethbr1]

So, Dune roleplay?

[caymanjim]

I lived in Tempe for five years. That's all the Arizona I need. I like temperate climates with dense deciduous forests and fresh, clean lakes/rivers. Deserts are beautiful places, but I don't ever want to live in one again.

The worst part about any long-term RV situation is the tanks. Full hookup is great, but generally only existed at the kind of campgrounds I try to avoid, where everyone is crammed together. I spent most of my time at state park campgrounds, which usually have decently-large sites, but rarely have sewer hookups (even when they do have water and electric). I got a Rhino tote to empty my tanks without moving the trailer. That helped a lot. It's still both tedious and gross, but it's a lot less time and hassle than moving the trailer. That's only really viable if there's a dump station in the campground, though. I've used it while boondocking, putting the tank in the bed of my pickup, but that sucks a million ways.

I'll probably get sick of full-timing pretty quickly. I'm already sick of it this summer. The past two summers, I wasn't working, and it was a lot less stressful.

[willvarfar]

Do you know realistic property prices and acreages in Cochise county?

A quick google image search shows a very hot Arizona.

As someone who enjoys following a lot of youtube self-builders around the world I get the impression that most channels I follow have to thread their way through some pretty convoluted and not-self-build nor budget-friendly rules :(

Do you know of any other places in the US that have similar easy-to-self-build but are more wooded and temperate?

[smolder]

When I think remote wooded area my mind goes to western NY around Allegheny. I know (and helped) someone who self-built a house in that area but am not sure about what approvals they needed/sought for it.

[davidw]

Places with water (and therefore trees) tend to be already spoken for in most of the US. Alaska, maybe? But that's not temperate at all, and is not great for the solar aspect.

[vkou]

Alaska is pretty great if you'd like to live in a place where mosquitos make up ~90% of the animal biomass.

[MuffinFlavored]

> I did the full time RV bit in a class A. Hated it.

What were you a fan of instead?

[Tempest1981]

Aegis mentions a "small schoolie", so maybe https://www.skoolielivin.com/skoolie-vs-rv/

[zubietaroberto]

Without access to a water supply, living in the middle of Arizona is just DUNE cosplay.

I do know that there are water condensation machines that could be fed with solar power, but at that point will likely be too expensive for a single family.