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by pasabagi 652 days ago
No need to presume: you can read the article. "dissemination of defamatory fake news and another probe over possible obstruction, incitement and criminal organization."

Which is fair enough, I think.

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Anyone who accuses X of hosting disinformation and fake news will 100% win in court. It’s at least 75%of the content I see when I dare to go to the “for you” algo feed.
"Disinformation and fake news" should not be crimes that anyone gets taken to court for to begin with.
Some blanket statements how X are bad is fair enough?

To be frank, this censorship and threats of censorship is much scarier than whatever X are doing.

Obviously there's a lot more detail in all the prosecutions and investigations. Most, or all of it, should be publicly available if you really care to understand the problem.

Laws have been broken, and this is the justice system's reaction to that. This is not censorship. Brazil (and most of the world) don't subscribe to the idea that freedom of expression and freedom of press are unbound.

This is censorship. Just because it's being done within a legal framework doesn't mean it's not censorship. The Brazilian people will have to decide whether they want their judiciary to have such excessive control over freedom of expression.

The rest of the world should subscribe to the idea that freedom of expression and freedom of expression are (nearly) unbound. The USA is the only major country which gets this right.

> This is censorship.

No, it's not.

> The Brazilian people will have to decide whether they want their judiciary to have such excessive control over freedom of expression.

This is a very loaded comment, full of personal opinions. Which is fine, but let's not pretend it's factual truth.

In any case, we have. At least within the limits of our USA-inspired representative democracy. Federal law goes through 3 houses of elected representatives: the National Congress, the Senate and the Union Executive.

The Constitution goes through even more scrutiny.

> The rest of the world should

More personal opinions. Which, again, is fine. But it's not factual truth.

> The USA is the only major country which gets this right

I think this says it all. We have very little common basis for discussion. I would say the USA is the main major country that gets the _most_ things wrong.

You appear to be confused about the definition of censorship.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

When any party, either government or private, blocks free expression then that is literally censorship. It might be legally or morally justified in some circumstances, but it is still censorship.

Words mean things. You don't get to redefine words to support your argument.

Sure but you'd also have to define free expression.

Article 10 of the Human Rights Act [0] says:

> 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

[0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

What's being done in Brazil falls within that definition and, as such, is not censorship.

>I would say the USA is the main major country that gets the _most_ things wrong.

I would like to hear you expound on this.

Normally, I would - happily. I am sorry though, but I don't have the time right now. If and when I do, I will come back to this.