[nickdrozd]

For anyone who finds this sort of discussion interesting, I highly recommend reading Chapter 3 of The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. There is quite a bit of philosophical musing about the connection between time and state. For example:

> The basic phenomenon here is that synchronizing different processes, establishing shared state, or imposing an order on events requires communication among the processes. In essence, any notion of time in concurrency control must be intimately tied to communication. It is intriguing that a similar connection between time and communication also arises in the Theory of Relativity, where the speed of light (the fastest signal that can be used to synchronize events) is a fundamental constant relating time and space. The complexities we encounter in dealing with time and state in our computational models may in fact mirror a fundamental complexity of the physical universe.

https://mitp-content-server.mit.edu/books/content/sectbyfn/b...

[FrustratedMonky]

And this is good example for larger discussions in physics.

Time does not exist at all, the Universe is itself just changing from one State to the Next State. There is no Time Dimension at all.

[Bendy]

Yeah, but so what? Time still has meaning, and is important to us, if only because we know we’re going to die.

Some theologians believe time exists also in Heaven. If that’s so it can’t be like any time we know about.

[FrustratedMonky]

? Not following. You have heard of relativity? Which has 'Time' as a dimension?

It is some latest physics theories that there isn't a 4th Time dimension, and the universe is moving from one state to the next.

And this programming example was a good illustration.

This is from 2011 https://phys.org/news/2011-04-scientists-spacetime-dimension...

Not sure what religion has to do with it.

[Bendy]

Thanks for sharing that. Einstein and Minkowski knew perfectly well that space and time are inseparable over 100 years ago. >Not sure what religion has to do with it. >absolute time is not falsifiable…you have to believe in it.

Either time is a necessary condition for experience, or it’s a measurable object of experience. It can’t be both. You can’t have time in time. Which one do you believe in?

[FrustratedMonky]

Are you saying: Lets say a Theory of Everything is found, it explains Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics, Gravity, . Everything is tied together. And, this theory does not have Time. Time is just a side effect we can measure. But, at that point, you would still need some 'belief'? Because it is so far beyond our ability to perceive it maybe?

Or, another way. Even a Theory of Everything, at it's root is just Math, it isn't 'what the universe actually is'. So we'd still need belief?