[teekert]

Gnome looks good?

It's Rust based and brand new (more secure, less bagage, Wayland native, no fragile plugin system, etc). I'm really looking forward to it.

I love Gnome but I want (at least) quarter tiling, but rather have the flexible tiling KDE offers (where you drag windows into predefined areas and they snap, preferably windows always open where they are dragged once). I want speed, I want it to get out of my way. My current flow is: Open window, hit win + left arrow, open another, hit win + right arrow, have 2 windows together on ultra wide. I do the same on 2 or three other desktops. And then I start working.

Oh, something nicer than Network Manager would be nice, something simple with super simple WireGuard VPN integration, etc.

Currently I'm still very happy on (daily driver) Gnome on NixOS, but will surely check this out soon.

[jeroenhd]

> I love Gnome but I want (at least) quarter tiling

This is what I've used Pop!'s Gnome extension (https://github.com/pop-os/shell) for in the past. I don't think it'll receive much love after Cosmic is released (after all, Gnome itself is being dropped) but if it still works for whatever version of Gnome you use, it may be worth checking out.

After using FancyZones on Windows, Gnome's lack of tiling management on my ultrawide has become a bit of an annoyance for me. Unfortunately, my copy of Pop Shell broke at some point.

> no fragile plugin system

While I don't like Gnome's tendency to slow down or crash, I do very much like the plugin system. Things like GSConnect and various smaller tweaks improve my Gnome experience a lot.

I hope Cosmic does expose some kind of plugin system, though hopefully one that's not as prone to lag and crashes.

[panick21_]

The plugin system has many issue. A single failed plugin takes all of them down. And its not a stable interface, each version threatens to break many plugins.

Its absolutely annoying. You have configured something you like, next gnome version they are gone.

Cosmic plugins are their own processes (generally written in Rust) using very fast Wayland and be much more stable. In fact, a much larger amount of the functionality already lives in plugins. Its a game changer in the long term.

[tuna74]

So you are claiming that Cosmic has a stable plugin API and ABI?

[WD-42]

It's alpha. Of course not. But the fact that is has one at all, is an improvement over GNOME where the plugin "api" is just javascript injected into the main gnome shell process.

[tuna74]

We'll see about that. If you need an api you will be pretty limited versus that you can do about anything for Gnome Shell Extensions.

[WD-42]

The main reason why System76 decided to build Cosmic in the first place was to avoid having to spend an inordinate amount of time (I heard 50%) fixing their extensions any time Gnome made a new release.

The fact that they were able to release this alpha of Cosmic DE in one year just goes to show how much better a use of time it is.

[troyready]

fwiw, I feel the same way and made a simple GNOME extension to support quarter tiling https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4857/quarter-windows/

[teekert]

That's really nice, I'm using it now and it works well.

You probably know this already, but I'm saying it anyway (hope you don't mind): The intuitive keyboard shortcuts would be win-right-arrow (then) up arrow for the top right corner tiling, like Windows does quarter tiling.

Also, Gnome (half) tiling has the windows sliding, your extension jumps them, and requires extra button (ctrl) ootb.

Very small things, and I will for sure keep the extension installed and use it, thank you!

[ThatMedicIsASpy]

KDE can set windows to start at a location, or remember the last position. the only downside is some applications like steam do not differenciate. Every steam window is just steamwebhelper so I cannot remember my friend list position