[bastawhiz]

I'm not sure that logic makes sense. Making a thing that's used ubiquitously a few percent faster it's absolutely a worthwhile investment of effort. Individual operations might but be very much faster but it's (in aggregate) a ton of electricity and time globally.

[0xbadcafebee]

That's what's called premature optimization. Everywhere in our lives we do inefficient things. Despite the inefficiency we gain us something else: ease of use or access, simplicity, lower cost, more time, etc. The world and life as we know it is just a series of tradeoffs. Often optimization before it's necessary actually creates more drawbacks than benefits. When it's easy and has a huge benefit, or is necessary, then definitely optimize. It may be hard to accept this as a general principle, but in practice (mostly in hindsight) it becomes very apparent.

Donald Knuth thinks the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization#When_to_o...

[bastawhiz]

It's definitionally not premature optimization. Pipes exist (and have existed for decades). This is just "optimization". "Premature" means it's too soon to optimize. When is it no longer too soon? In another few decades? When Linux takes another half of Windows usage? It would be premature if they were working on optimizations before there were any users or a working implementation. But it's not: they're a fundamental primitive of the OS used by tens of millions of applications.

The tradeoffs you're discussing are considerations. Is it worth making a ubiquitous thing faster at the expense of some complexity? At some point that answer is "yes", but that is absolutely not "When it's easy and has a huge benefit". The most important optimizations you personally benefit from were not easy OR had a huge benefit. They were hard won and generally small, but they compound on other optimizations.

I'll also note that the Knuth quote you reference says exactly this:

> Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%

[0xbadcafebee]

Most people will never need to optimize pipes. If they don't need to do it, it's premature. If they need to do it, it's not premature

[bastawhiz]

If you're saying that people that know they don't need to optimize pipes shouldn't optimize pipes, then yeah I mean that's kind of just common sense.