[codedokode]

If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

[chucke1992]

Basically as he did not provide access to the encrypted messages and communication in Telegram, they accused him for supporting the criminals. That's all to it.

It is basically the part of the current politics in EU where they are trying to force access to all encrypted traffic across devices.

[squidbeak]

This is incorrect. Channels and their associated chats aren't encrypted and are centrally hosted by Telegram.

[lxgr]

If they were functionally encrypted, how could he possibly provide them?

Since they’re not, this doesn’t seem much different from e.g. an email provider refusing some court access to somebody’s mail archive (i.e. a very bad idea if your executives ever want to set foot in that country).

I’m really having a very hard time finding much sympathy for an operation that kept endangering users by spreading misinformation about its own security model, while at the same time building a jurisdiction-hopping warrant evasion machine to protect data they arguably shouldn’t even have if that security model were accurate.

[mdhb]

Do you have any proof of this whatsoever or are you just making this up?

[evilfred]

just one google away https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat...

[a0123]

Yeah, and do you think France is going to arrest Durov on the Kremlin's request.

Fun fact: the Russian government and high ranking officials are outraged by the arrest and are asking the Russian state to pressure France into releasing him.

It's one google away. Before you blame this one on Russia too.

[evilfred]

huh? I was not suggesting that France is collaborating with Russia lol. sorry for facts getting in your way. Russia already has plenty of blood on its hands from kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and raping others.

[accfor1comment]

I, for one, have reported heinous illegal content multiple times over a long time span, as well as e-mailing both their support and abuse addresses. I checked back months later, no responses to e-mails and the content was still up. Telegram has how many employees/staff and moderators for about a billion users, many of whom know exactly how exploitable the platform is? Every source I check says Telegram has just around 100 employees. What is criminal is how late this action is.

[aa_is_op]

It is his fault when his site is full of CSAM and he refuses to take it down

[user_7832]

Can’t comment on csam but telegram has and does take down channels/accounts for many reasons including as “light” as copyright infringement.

[aa_is_op]

The fact that it has reporting mechanisms, doesn't it uses them.

There have been govt commissions in the UK, France, the EU, and the Netherlands about getting Telegram to act on their reports.

All of this while Durov is bragging in Russian press that he doesn't need more than 3 moderators.

If you're not aware of what's really happening here, I'd recommend not commenting.

This guy is a legit a-hole. There's bots on Telegram where you enter women's names or social media URLs and you get back if someone ever posted revenge porn about her. Those bots remain online until a journalist covers them. Unless the company is publicly humiliated, no Telegram channel is ever taken down. Telegram has been the go-to platform for hosting malware and stolen data for half a decade. Nothing... NOTHING has ever been taken down even if it's a blatant TOS violation. So yeah, fuck Durov!

[mdhb]

Maybe just wait a moment for things to come out through the natural course of justice rather than getting yourself all worked up here.

The accusations are serious enough that it’s probably reasonable to assume that they have some serious evidence for this and if that is true then this is a good outcome that should be celebrated.

[oarsinsync]

> The accusations are serious enough that it’s probably reasonable to assume that they have some serious evidence for this and if that is true then this is a good outcome that should be celebrated.

Isn’t it equally reasonable to assume the accused is innocent until proven guilty?

[perihelions]

- "probably reasonable to assume"

Presumption of reasonability in political prosecutions doesn't exactly have a great track record.

I remember when the GoF tried to blackmail a Wikipedia admin with prosecution threats, to coerce them to censor Wikipedia entries it didn't want people to read,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5503354 ("French homeland intelligence threatens a sysop into deleting a Wikipedia Article (wikimedia.fr)")

[anigbrowl]

Presumption of reasonability in political prosecutions

Assumes facts not in evidence.

[mdhb]

I don’t know what anyone is supposed to assume from one story from over a decade ago.

I’m just saying to slow down and wait for details to come out. This thread is turning into a paranoid fever dream based on nothing as far as I can tell.

[nwienert]

You didn’t say to slow down and wait, you made the claim that “something’s probably bad”, quite different.