[ktosobcy]

> Actually there was. My web apps can be used in Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS, Meta Horizon OS, etc. thanks to it being a standard that is more or less not controlled or gatekept by a single entity (browser monoculture aside). Java applets died because of it. > > Thing is, the Web platform is what won, and for good reasons. GTK, Java Swing, and other supposedly multiplatform toolkits did not lose just because -- they lost because the Web is objectively better.

To be honest I consider Java Swing better than current "fancy web UI". At least it's more consistent and at least try to match the OS... I loath the "creative bunch" that tries to re-invent the wheel and be all flashy and whatnot.

Every app should try to match to the best possible way native OS. Yes, it's not possible 100% of the way but it would go a long way.

Currently we live in a world led by brainded bunch of "let's care about brand" and try to have same UI on all platforms as if users were switching constantly between windows/mac/linux or between iphone/android... no, they don't. At least in the mobile space they do try to be more native-looking and follow the theme but it's not all that great either.

Also. Java/Swing loose (especially on the desktop) because it was slow at the time and wasn't open like "web". Besides learning curve for the web was easier (hey, you can open web console, write `alert('bam!')` and it DOES stuff, wild!... and then it went downhill from there...