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by sillyfluke
663 days ago
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not the parent, but I'm curious what you place the odds at. It's a 50/50 coin toss from where I'm standing, and your bet should include you losing if those screenshots are sent one-shot "by mistake" or because of some random minor update. Given the Microsoft related shit-show that happened last month, it's a weird approach to risk if the odds of it happening were even less than 50%, as it would be a low probability but high impact event for those who cared. I'm curious if you yourself would view the event as a big deal if your data had been sent or if you would simply take the "life is short, who gives a shit?" scenic route. If you read the article, you would see that the earliest release date for standard Windows versions is planned for early 2025, so you're even kinda baiting the parent from a position of cowardice -- a good faith opening bet would suggest Feb 2026 for the date at the least:) |
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Depends a lot on the criteria that torginus and I agree on (if we do). I believe the given scenario itself, Microsoft issuing an update that breaks their guarantee by exfiltrating your snapshots for training their LLMs/etc., is very unlikely. But torginus may argue it's something Microsoft are likely to do in secret and successfully lie about such that lack of admission/evidence is not sufficient to determine it hasn't happened, so the criteria may need to be something weaker about Microsoft having made changes that make it in theory possible for them to be secretly training LLMs on the snapshots (e.g: setting them to store unencrypted in OneDrive).
> I'm curious if you yourself would view the event as a big deal if your data had been sent or if you would simply take the "life is short, who gives a shit?" scenic route.
I think training generative AI on private data would be a huge violation and a big deal. There's the chance of exact regurgitation (bank account details, passwords, API keys), but even without that it's pretty much inherently teaching the model things it should not know and would now be able to talk about.
> If you read the article, you would see that the earliest release date for standard Windows versions is planned for early 2025, so you're even kinda baiting the parent from a position of cowardice -- a good faith opening bet would suggest Feb 2026 for the date at the least:)
Not entirely sure what you mean - the date I proposed (2026-08-23) is a full two years from now. Even from the launch of Windows Recall on non-Copilot+ PCs, if that's what we're measuring from, it should give more than "a year or so".