[yial]

I agree with you. I do think there are different levels of cheap though.

I don’t have the eloquence to quite describe, but it’s the difference between a harbor freight miter saw, a Milwaukee, a Makita,(their 12 in. Dual-Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw, is amazing, but I still use my harbor freight dual bevel as well with a different blade for more construction ish stuff vs trim work / precision ish), and a festool.

My father drives me insane with this. He buys these $1 can openers that break every 3-9 months. He thinks I’m insane for paying $10-$20 for a can opener that has now lasted me 9+ years.

I probably would have been okay with a $5-7 one.

More succinctly : the cheap One is cheap for a reason. But that doesn’t mean you need the most expensive. Usually the cheap tools end up being more in the long run. (Breakage, poor quality output, time, material usage….)

When I first got a 10 inch table saw, I couldn’t believe how easy things were: setting the fence, cutting hard wood, depth adjustments were so much faster. But I still have my 8 inch craftsman I paid $5 for at a yard sale 20 years ago, and it’s not bad.

[forgetfreeman]

I'm not advocating for running out and filling your shop with boutique tools by any stretch. Mid-market brands like Dewalt are perfectly serviceable without incurring all of the safety issues that harbor freight brands are notorious for.

[yial]

Yes. Sorry. I didn’t think you were!

Harbor Freight is interesting to me, many of their items I won’t buy due to the quality, but certain other things tend to be excellent. However, I have noticed a trend where HF has started to have a few genuine quality offerings - but the price differential from a name brand shrinks drastically.

Example: their Hercules dual bevel miter saw- $349.99

A mostly comparable dewalt is $399.99.

(The dewalt is better in my opinion even because of how the detent overide and adjustment works, not to mention more positive stops )

An example of a gem however is their $50 electric planer. I own an older version of it. I don’t think it’s particularly great as your only / primary electric hand planer(except in a pinch), but the ability to use it roughly / places / ways that would damage a better planer. (Example, planing an old door while still mounted, or leveling a floor with luan ply, and planing areas that have adhesive, small nails, debris…)

[forgetfreeman]

Yeah idk, a lot is going to have to change with their offerings before I'd ever consider shopping there again. After first hand encounters with overheating issues with motor tools to weird shit like angle grinders with 2x the normal RPM and zero torque, abrasive disks that delaminate and fly all to hell under normal use, chain falls with chains so short the unit is functionally useless, leaky jacks, and incorrectly heat treated hand tools, I got tired of playing roulette.