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by bartread 672 days ago
> "My dog is off leash because I want them to have freedom" is a profoundly selfish decision if you're in a place to encounter other dogs.

This is cultural, I think. In the UK at least it’s often the norm for dogs to be off leash in open areas like commons (public land, usually grassy or wooded, or a mix of the two), or in other settings where they’re away from roads and won’t encounter livestock.

On public footpaths in the countryside farmers will put up signs indicating where livestock are and where dogs need to be kept on leash. The rest of the time, again, most dogs will be off leash.

Compliance is really high, with almost all dog owners I see following these rules.

There’s a deterrent as well: if your dog is bothering farm animals the farmer is within their rights to shoot the dog.

I do think the post you’re responding to has a very naive view of dog psychology though. Thousands of years of selective breeding means that dogs are fundamentally not wild animals, and as such their behaviours and needs are quite different from their wild relations, such as wolves. Many breeds of dog are so far removed that they would very likely be incapable of surviving in the wild: I’m thinking principally of designer breeds like pugs which, overall, I strongly disapprove of.

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Interesting that livestock is the primary concern—I'd imagine interactions with other dogs (which can be highly stressful, though this varies a lot from dog to dog) would be the primary issue these days.
Livestock haven't gone away.
Sure, but their dominance in culture compared to dogs certainly has.
What is this world that some of you seem to live in where interactions with other dogs are, apparently, incredibly problematic?

Dogs encounter eachother all the time when you're out on a walk and it's... fine (again, I'm talking UK here). What's the worst thing that happens that you're all paranoid about your dog meeting, gasp, the horror... another dog?

This makes no sense to me.

Yes. Dogs meeting other dogs can be extremely stressful. What is your confusion? Let me help you.

I assure you, even in the uk, dogs are still dogs.

Depends on the dogs. There have been a few dogs in my neighborhood that have attacked other dogs, with the dog that came off worse requiring veterinary attention. In one case the dogs were on leash, but each probably outweighed the walker.

To be fair, I am talking about three or four incidents over twenty years.

this video corroborates your cultural hypothesis

https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU?si=Q15kFkFBE-aW2ail

That remains, in some ways, one of the funniest videos on the internet[0], but the dog owner was and is an absolute moron. Imagine letting your dog off the lead near a herd of deer. That incident took place in a literal deer park. They're not livestock, per se, but, no surprise, the outcome is about the same as letting your dog off the lead in a field of sheep, and the consequences could have been much more serious.

[0] To the point where we briefly considered naming a dog Fenton, but then realised the humour would wear off pretty quickly and it wouldn't really be fair on the dog.