[ToucanLoucan]

> Seriously don't understand how Roblox isn't being investigated for predatory practices.

Because if you held game companies responsible for deliberately fostering addiction in their customers to earn a profit, we'd have scores of industries behind them in line to be brought to heel the same way and the stocks for tech companies, game companies, tobacco companies, casino companies, alcohol companies, etc. etc. would all implode.

There's no danger of that of course because we long ago decided as a society that we're fine with vulnerable populations being put through an economic woodchipper to fuel our retirement funds, and that's been status quo for so long that I sincerely doubt there's any way to actually change it.

[riwsky]

We did that for tobacco, though? It was a huge public health win?

[xhkkffbf]

Actually, it's mixed. The states now get such a huge chunk of tobacco money that they're incentivized to keep people smoking. The more they smoke, the more the state gets.

[danans]

> The more they smoke, the more the state gets.

The state "gets" tobacco tax revenue to help pay for the burden of medical treatment for those with smoking related illnesses. Lung cancer isn't free to treat.

[ChadNauseam]

I've read that smoking related illnesses cost less money overall to treat than average. As an extreme example, if someone went around disintegrating people with an orbital laser, this would clearly reduce overall heathcare spending. So in this analogy, smoking is the equivalent of an orbital laser that (plausibly) causes people to die before they develop an even more expensive-to-treat healthcare situation.

[danans]

> I've read that smoking related illnesses cost less money overall to treat than average.

If you've read it, then please provide the citation.

Smoking not only has its own direct impacts (lung cancer, emphysema), but it also makes many other conditions far worse than they would be without smoking, and therefore more expensive to treat.

[itsgabriel]

I don't think this analogy works, the space laser is instant and does not spread to non-targets. Smoking does reduce the average life span, but not to zero. In the remaining time, healthcare costs are increased on top of anything expensive they'd develop naturally. Smoking also causes serious diseases in non-smokers and kills 1.3 million non-smokers per year. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco

[consteval]

Yes, I'm sure all that money is perfectly tracked and the system is perfectly efficient so there's no money being burned somewhere along the way to line someone's pocket.

[xhkkffbf]

They have to treat them any way because of Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare.

So it's all about tax revenue to defer this cost.

[danans]

The alternative is to deny medical care to smokers. That would at the very least violate medical ethics, and possibly the law.

[ToucanLoucan]

Also, the companies are doing gangbusters in developing countries where people aren't as informed of the dangers of smoking.

This is not judgement, to be clear. I enjoy the occasional smokable like anyone else, but I do that with full understanding of the health risks associated with it.

[drewcoo]

> we'd have scores of industries behind them

Not if they have good lobbyists. In the US we still have beer ads on TV though tobacco commercials have been gone long enough to barely be remembered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUY0w2cVAUQ

[GNOMES]

Understand your point, but Epic (Fortnite) and games like Fifa have gotten sued or major slap on the wrists for the same practices

[latexr]

> major slap on the wrists

That doesn’t make sense as a concept. The point of the slap on the wrist is that it’s ineffective/insufficient punishment to change behaviour. You’re essentially saying they got a big small penalty.

[GNOMES]

Paying fines while still racking in cash. Basically the cost of doing business.

[johnnyanmac]

It's a big enough penalty to be noticed and course correct. but not a big enough one to fundamentally hit their bottom line. I think it fits.

[ToucanLoucan]

They're still doing it though. They stopped whatever specific part got them in trouble but in the broad strokes they're still exploiting customers because the law says they can.

Everything that a business of that size does is legal because if the authorities actually wanted it stopped, it would be stopped.

[johnnyanmac]

You forgot the most important industry: the food industry. But they settled that battle long ago.

And on some level I agree. We shouldn't hold companies accountable for raising our children. Simply mitigate their ways to target them And exploit their data (something Fortnite got dinged hard for).

[throw10920]

> There's no danger of that of course because we long ago decided as a society that we're fine with vulnerable populations being put through an economic woodchipper to fuel our retirement funds

"We" did? Who's "we"? I certainly never agreed to this. Citation needed.