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by 00_hum 668 days ago
this literally a perfect example. your idea of NK is based mostly on reporting that is biased, propaganda, etc. and here you are mocking people who doubt any of that. lol. im not saying NK is secretly good but i think you would discover a lot of things that you didnt know. especially regarding how things got the way they are.
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Cupertino95014 668 days ago
> you would discover a lot of things

actually, no I wouldn't, because when a Westerner goes to NK, he or she is strictly controlled as to what they can see. In particular, no citizen will talk unguardedly to you because of their intense fear of the police.

If you think that's not true, why don't you tell us about your trip there (you did take one, didn't you?)

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00_hum 661 days ago
what a fool you are. take for example the markets. the markets in NK are a thriving fixture of everyday life. they are also completely illegal. people cross the border into china frequently. there is a huge underground in NK but people who only consume american propaganda only learn about the NK police. there is more to the picture.
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Cupertino95014 659 days ago
> what a fool you are.

You still haven't told us whether you've been there or not.

As for the Western picture of it: it comes largely from NK citizens who've escaped. Call it "propaganda" if you like, but if it were false then there would be a net inflow of people who are as hip to reality as you think you are. Is there?

South Koreans would be trying to move IN if you were correct; after all, they're closer than anyone and they speak the language.

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39896880 668 days ago
It tends to be accurate. If you want to read more, see Demick, 2009: “Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea” [0]

[0] https://search.worldcat.org/title/918997255

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Cupertino95014 668 days ago
There are lots of authors and journalists who either go there, or interview people who escaped. I think we learn a lot more from them than we would by taking a heavily curated tour of pre-screened sites.
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00_hum 661 days ago
i read that book a couple years ago. the broad strokes tend to be accurate but obviously people understand north korea as much as they understand italy based on Italian tropes.
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Cupertino95014 659 days ago
Perhaps if NK wanted to be understood they'd allow tourists to come in and wander around and talk to the happy natives.

Just answer us this: is an NK citizen free to emigrate to some other country?

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Log_out_ 668 days ago
Its based on lights out satellite imagery.
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