[layer8]

I was merely pointing out the reality of the situation. Significant penalties generally only come about as a result of prominent cases of substantial harm being inflicted in a way where the causality is not in doubt. People like us here holding companies to higher standards by itself doesn't have that effect. I'm not saying that we shouldn't hold them to higher standards — I certainly do — just that realistically much more will have to happen.

It's similar with climate change. It's just a fact of the matter that people at scale only react as actual consequences become palpable.

[amsterdorn]

I'm not saying your observation is inaccurate, but as a society we _let_ these companies continue to do whatever they want without consequence.

1% of users in a data leak having their identities stolen or 1% of the cities in the world becoming uninhabitable due to heat isn't enough to demand action, what about 10%? Is 25% where we draw the line?