[Teocali]

It would blocked in the EU.

Also the company could be asked to forbid EU customer to access the product. Wouldn’t be a big threat but it would prevent the company to do any futur business in Europe.

Tech savvy customer could still access the product but that is not a market as big as every EU potential customer.

[HPsquared]

I propose "Net Curtain" as the name for EU's version of the Great Firewall.

[zo1]

A reference to "The Iron Curtain"?

[HPsquared]

Indeed. Like the Iron Curtain, but more porous and networky.

[troupo]

You truly believe the US wouldn't do the same?

BTW what's your take on US requiring US-based companies to provide data on foreign citizens if subpoenaed?

[immibis]

The US does it through a private business (Cloudflare), so it's constitutional.

[troupo]

I'm desperately trying to figure out this response, and I can't.

Meanwhile: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41280221

[cscurmudgeon]

The debate is what EU would do if foreign companies don't obey EU's laws.

The debate is not whether the US will do something draconian the EU is doing today.

[troupo]

What draconian laws does EU apply to foreign companies? Try to come up with examples of companies that don't have offices and legal and commercial presence in the EU.

BTW remind me what's your take on the US banning Huawei in the US?

[BlueTemplar]

Since when do they bother with subpoenas ? Or are you referring to the secret courts rubberstamping wiretapping after the fact ?

[troupo]

I used subpoena as an umbrella term, there are multiple ways to get that data.

E.g. here's Facebook's report: https://transparency.meta.com/reports/government-data-reques...

In July-January 2023 they received FISA requests targeting over 150 thousand foreign nationals

[Buttons840]

Copper Curtain

[marcosdumay]

Either Silicon or Optical Fiber Curtain.

[sigzero]

Or it could cause the actual citizens of the EU to put a stop to the stupidity.

[troupo]

Ah yes. Because who can forget the genius of USA's "American companies must provide any and all information on foreign citizens even if they never stepped foot on foreign soil if the US government so wishes it".

[Teocali]

Which one ?

[stickfigure]

I will believe this when I hear about websites being blocked over missing cookie banners.

[Teocali]

You need to lodge a complaint. It’s time consuming so almost nobody do it.

And generally, it came with a slap of the wrist, and the company put up the banner.

For a site to be blocked, it need repeatable, multiple and not correctibles infractions.

[stickfigure]

Has it ever happened, even once? Can you cite something? I'm genuinely curious. Also genuinely skeptical.

[troupo]

There has never been a case where it was escalated so far.

[Teocali]

This. Each country have an administrative entity (in France, that’s CNIL, Commission National sur l’Informatique et les Libertés - National Commission on computer and liberties, roughly) in charge of this kind oh things. You can lodge a complaint to them and they will investigate and eventually, if needed (don’t think it was ever needed, they can bring the problem to a judge.

[stickfigure]

I have a very difficult time imaging that companies in China (or even the US) will even read a message in French, much less respond to it.