[shreddit]

But who is to blame? I, the one who has amount x of time and wants to reach the maximum amount of people? Or the browser vendors for just doing the bare minimum to be compatible with each other but nothing more. The browser vendors do have a lot more manpower (and money) than me…

[whatshisface]

Firefox is the libre alternative struggling to compete with the Google behemoth which adds things to its browser even faster than they appear in the standard. Safari is the underfunded child of a corporation as wealthy as Google. It is mainly the first that motivates web developer solidarity.

[cyanydeez]

Its struggling in part because it decided it needed to do a bunch of non browser things.

[int0x29]

Firefox isn't really making enough in donations to maintain a major piece of web infrastructure. So it gets search revenue from Google, which people complain about (and may not be long term sustainable). So they go make other paid for things looking for revenue, which people complain about.

[b112]

https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

It's a little more nuanced than that.

[cyanydeez]

The complaint is about manhours.

Maybe the search money dont pay the bills but they definitely squandered their improvements

[einsteinx2]

If the user donations aren’t enough, surely their main revenue source—the 100s of millions of dollars they get from Google—is? Or do they need billions just to maintain a competent browser?

[marcosdumay]

Unless it's due to Firefox not supporting some reasonable standard, it's Google's fault.

The only thing one can possibly blame on the developer is the wording.

[immibis]

Who was to blame for the Internet Explorer monopoly? This is just the same thing again.

[quohort]

How difficult is it to test your site on the 3 major browser engines? I have done some web development before and when I'm on linux, I just test my site with chromium, firefox, and epiphany.

I think the onus is on the developer to use standards that are well supported and to try to avoid standards like webUSB that are niche. To use semantic HTML and such so that the website fails in a more useful way to the end user when the standards aren't supported.

[marcosdumay]

> How difficult is it to test your site on the 3 major browser engines?

Given that one of those 3 requires sending thousands of dollars a year to Apple, I'd say "very".

Also, given that Google is a monopoly, I do place the onus on them to at minimum warn developers that they are deviating from well supported standards.

[edent]

Epiphany uses the same rendering engine as Safari. It is FOSS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Web

[croemer]

Mac mini is less than $500. And you can use it for years. Thousands of dollars a year is this around 10 times too high a figure.

[Arainach]

$500 is a lot of money even for a west coast SWE and prohibitive in many areas.

[croemer]

That's true but the comment I replied to talked about thousands/year when in fact it is hundreds/year.