[ninetyninenine]

Let's limit the discussion to things that can be actually done with an LLM.

Getting one to blow on a saxophone is outside of this context.

An LLM can't blow on a saxophone period. However it can write and read English.

>In the context of LLMs and intelligence/reasoning, I think we are mostly talking about the later and not the former.

And I'm saying the later is completely wrong. I'm also saying the former is irrelevant. Look this is what you're doing. For the former you're comparing something humans can do to something LLMs Can't do. That's a completely irrelevant comparison.

for the later we are comparing things humans and LLMs BOTH can do. Sometimes humans give superior output, sometimes LLMs give superior output. Given similar inputs and outputs the internal analysis of what's going on whether it's true intelligence or true reasoning is NOT ridiculous.

"Ridiculous" is comparing things where no output exists. LLMs do not have saxophone output where they actually blow into an instrument. There's nothing to be compared here.