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by NicoJuicy 673 days ago
That's not true.

The higher wages in the US are not related to labour protections. They are related to vastly higher wages in tech because of big corps pushing up those wages to have the best of the best working for them.

Proof is simple: Since a lot of low paying jobs in the US have no labour protections.

Or look at what Tesla does in Texas, with the "unprotected" third party companies that don't have labour protections. They are vastly worse off than those that work for Tesla ( since the country required minimum protections and Tesla didn't apply that to contractors)

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> Proof is simple: Since a lot of low paying jobs in the US have no labour protections.

That doesn't follow. The low paying jobs exist because the value to the employer of hiring someone exceeds the low pay. For those jobs, if the employer is required to provide paid vacation etc. then it can push the cost of hiring someone over the cost of offshoring the job or automating it, so the alternative then isn't high pay vs. low pay, it's have a job vs. no job.

Also, many of the costs are in proportion to the pay, e.g. the cost of a vacation day is the cost of paying someone else to cover, so the difference will often be a percentage rather than a fixed amount. Then it's no surprise that skilled professionals get paid more than unskilled labor, but that doesn't mean the unskilled laborers can't still be making more than they would be in the alternative where the company had higher costs to hire them.

> Or look at what Tesla does in Texas, with the "unprotected" third party companies that don't have labour protections. They are vastly worse off than those that work for Tesla ( since the country required minimum protections and Tesla didn't apply that to contractors)

They have fewer employee benefits, but in return contractors generally get higher hourly wages. One way or another they have to convince the worker to work for them instead of somebody else.

You're totally missing the point. Tesla set their factory and the poorest area in Texas. They wanted worker protections because they were scared to be exploited by a big corporation.

Here's the reality:

https://fortune.com/2022/11/15/tesla-texas-gigafactory-const...

> ‘I’m going to die in this factory’: Tesla Texas gigafactory construction workers are suing over wage theft and dangerous conditions

But sure...

> They have fewer employee benefits, but in return contractors generally get higher hourly wages. One way or another they have to convince the worker to work for them instead of somebody else.

"generally"

> Other whistleblowers will complain that they were either not paid at all for their work, or were not given proper overtime compensation. Some who sacrificed their time to work over Thanksgiving say that they were never paid the promised double wage, according to the case referral.

Next time. Please come with sources. Because I couldn't find any credible sources for your claims...

Total comp for experienced software engineers in Silicon Valley exceeded $750k/yr for several years.

Your argument makes no sense.

It was a bubble, but a bubble that has been inflated for a very long time.

Whether software engineers making $750k/year is a bubble has nothing to do with my argument at all. The average annual wages in the US are ~$77,000, compared to ~$55,000 for France or the UK.
Cite? Overall in the US I’m showing about $60k. [https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/business/hr-payroll...].

For software engineers, it absolutely matters. For the same reason it’s going to be a pretty weird discussion about Actor/Actress pay if you just ignore Hollywood.

2023 column on the right side (numbers are PPP):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_w...

> For software engineers, it absolutely matters.

The bubble means you currently get more in San Francisco, sure, but take the bubble away and you'd still expect the US average to be higher than the EU average as it is in other industries where there isn't a bubble.