[s1artibartfast]

I think it is more nuanced than that.

Imagine you write a book and release it with a non-commercial use license, but a company copies it and uses it for employee training.

Imagine you wrote software and released it with a non-commercial use license, but the company includes it in their for-profit workflow.

[wiredfool]

Imagine you wrote a book, released it using a publisher who put it on dead trees, and sold it in e-book format. And imagine that a whole industry does this, and doesn't release the books for free to copy use in any format. Which is not hard to do, because that's basically the current situation for the publishing industry.

Now imagine that all of that was used to train an LLM without compensation to the authors and publishers who paid the authors. This is apparently current situation with some of the training dataset.

While at the same time, libraries have to pay per e-loan. Archive.org can't do a 1:1 dead tree format shift loan to ebook.

I get that the tech industry wants everyone else's information to be free to use and their products to generate money enough for big exits and big salaries, but at some point the optics look pretty bad.

[fragmede]

It's easy enough to imagine, since the Google Book Search project to scan all of the books dates back to 2004.

[jncfhnb]

Sounds like information would finally be free, just like it always wanted

[polotics]

Do you produce information as part of your work? Do you expect to get paid for this work?

[jncfhnb]

People will still pay you to create things. Posting things in public and hoping to stake a claim on that information is… stupid.

We don’t want society to evolve on shitty workarounds like hiring someone to summarize a work so it can be ingested or hiring a cheap artist to copy a style So it can be ingested

[s1artibartfast]

sounds like you are projecting your desires on an abstract concept.

[jncfhnb]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free

[s1artibartfast]

Exactly, a projection.

[jncfhnb]

Finish the sentence

[s1artibartfast]

that was a complete sentiment.