[nineplay]

> I agree, and I think even the folks who are against that would actually end up enjoying it more

That's a pretty remarkable belief. Many of us happy suburbanites have lived in large dense cities in our younger days. We are not ignorant of the joys of city living, we've just changed priorities.

[dnissley]

The neighborhoods I have in mind here aren't "true suburbs" but rather "pre-war suburbs" that are already fairly dense. Think west SF, Fremont/Ballard in Seattle, etc.