[BowBun]

Wait until you hear how Crunchyroll got to where they did! Plex is on much the same trajectory. Heck, even Google Play Music used the strategy by letting people upload their pirated music libraries to get users. It's a tried and true strategy.

[EasyMark]

Kim just didn’t grease the right palm plus he was a singular face and name. Feds are relentless at getting those who the oligopolists have marked for retribution, just like Assange and Snowden

[dangus]

Except when you read the basis for indictment section of megaupload’s Wikipedia page, I think it’s quite clear that the service wasn’t just another YouTube or Crunchyroll that was hosting copyrighted content and not doing a great job at taking it down. They were doing a lot more than that, they were running a file storage service that actively encouraged privacy and wasn’t actually useful for storing personal files.

They even paid people to upload high demand popular copyrighted files. They crossed a number of lines that other companies of the era didn’t dare cross.

As far as equating Kim Dotcom to Assange and Snowden, if it isn’t clear by now that Assange and especially Snowden are Russian assets by now idk how to convince you. Like, Snowden tried to travel to Ecuador via Moscow and Hong Kong? Coincidentally just stopping by at the number one and number two intelligence agency adversaries of the United States? He could have just flown from Miami to Ecuador directly. Why didn’t his original plan involve flying to South America? It’s so obviously suspect in retrospect.

But Kim Dotcom isn’t a political retribution target on that same level anyway, he’s just an egotistical idiot who thought he could play with law enforcement and get away with running a for-profit piracy website.

The one thing Kim has in common with Assange and Snowden is that he could have avoided a decade of self-imposed house arrest and/or exile by facing justice in court and taking the L. But Kim is attached to his ideals so much that it he’s wasted a good chunk of his life with this issue hanging over him, all because he doesn’t want to give in to the pragmatic reality that he brought upon himself.

[klyrs]

I'm not sure that one can distinguish between a russian asset and a russian prisoner so easily.

[butlike]

YouTube got big because back in the day you could watch full movies uploaded to it. (pre-Google era)

[mrgoldenbrown]

But was Google actively paying pirates to upload those full movies? That's the allegation against Kim.

[ric2b]

Plex and GPM never distributed pirated content, they just allowed users to host or upload their own content.

Every social media allows image uploads and no one thinks about that but images online are constantly breaking copyright law.

[jpalawaga]

didn't itunes let people convert their pirated music collections into legit paid ones?

except they did a bad job by replacing tracks that sounded similar and then deleting the original.

[Aerroon]

Or even YouTube.

[dangus]

There are big differences in the details there. I suggest you go to the Megaupload Wikipedia article and go to the “basis of indictment” section.

Megaupload wasn’t even hiding behind a legitimate use case. It couldn’t be used as a personal file storage service because infrequently downloaded files would be deleted. The company paid people to upload popular files. The service had a comprehensive CSAM takedown process but no such process for copyright infringement.

Basically, the US government was saying that Megaupload’s intent was extremely obvious.

Sites like Crunchyroll and YouTube which started off being a haven for piracy had DCMA compliance as their shield. They complied with requests to take down content and weren’t building the entire business around infringement.

Plex doesn’t enable you to distribute content beyond your household, and it’s also facilitating legal personal backups of commercial content.

Google Play Music (and iTunes for that matter) were the same thing: making backups of your music is completely legal. Google Play wasn’t telling you to jump on LimeWire to illegally download your music.

[BowBun]

> Google Play wasn’t telling you to jump on LimeWire to illegally download your music.

Of course not, but they had no moderation for a long time so that that's what people were using it for. At that scale it's not an oversight, it's a customer acquisition strategy.

Once they hit critical mass they killed the feature as one would expect before negotiating lucrative deals with distributors via Google Play Music and eventually Youtube Music.

I think the line is very blurry, the only difference is one side is doing it very quietly and strategically, while the other was blustering their way through.

[Chilko]

> Plex doesn’t enable you to distribute content beyond your household

I believe that's incorrect. See Plex Pass, and Plex shares are a common form of sharing pirated content.

[echelon]

Google Play Music let you upload your own music library to your own account. They didn't check or assert where you got your mp3s. Nobody else had access to your collection.

From the beginning, Kim's company put itself front and center in the piracy world. It was advertised as an alternative to BitTorrent and you were meant to share links with others.

When licensors and eventually authorities asked him to stop, he laughed at them and doubled down.

He's played the pirate the whole time, and he's hated authority and venture capital and IP every step of the way.

There's a reason he would up where he is versus the other IP grey area companies and products that became wildly successful. He deliberately chose this path.