[JohnMakin]

> you only need to look at Zuckerberg and Meta,

As much as I don't like what meta is doing in certain areas of their business, I think Zuckerberg has a pretty good corporate structure. From talking to colleagues and interview series I've been to there, it's a very "engineer-led" culture. Managers, at least a few years ago, were allegedly not even supposed to call it "their" team, they were supposed to say "supporting this team," etc. Very small nuances like that can actually cause a big shift in culture. It's also very flat, from what I understand. The most dysfunctional corporate environments I ever see typically have 5+ management layers above the lowest person on the tech rung. To me, that's ridiculous. It's just managers managing managers managing managers managing managers all the way down to the poor guys at the bottom trying to figure out what the heck is going on - it's impossibly anti-productive and prone to corruption.