[etse]

Are you opposed to the process by which discussion can initiate a transition from negative state to positive state?

Seems healthy to me.

[synicalx]

To me, even proposing the (extremely obviously) negative state in the first place is a sign of bad faith on the part of the proposer.

If they proposed kicking puppies twice a day, and after some discussion decided to not do that would we all be applauding their decision?

[heromal]

Ridiculous. Only you believe those two are equivalent.

[synicalx]

I don't believe those two things are equivalent, that isn't the purpose of an analogy.