[typon]

Tesla has yet to demonstrate autonomous driving capability. A human ready to intervene in long tail scenarios (which is the hard part of the problem) does not constitute autonomous capability, no matter what the marketing material says.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Tesla has yet to demonstrate autonomous driving capability

I'm betting on Waymo, too, but Tesla has chutzpah in a way Google and GM do not. That might permit them to take more risks (and incur more costs on the public) earlier.

In the end, avoiding a monopoly is always good.

[typon]

I would love it if there was a working autonomous vehicle outside of Waymo. Google's monopoly in search engines has stifled innovation in that space for long enough. The problem is that Tesla just hasn't demonstrated they are capable of doing it. My bet is that achieving autonomous driving with only RGB vision + sensors that are not LIDAR is just too hard.

[leesec]

they have demonstrated autonomous driving capability. the main difference between them and Waymo is miles per intervention, of which Tesla is about 10x behind where Waymo was when they started giving rides. but soon they will be equal and Tesla will have millions more cars and built out service centers ready to activate

[typon]

> soon they will be equal

That's a prediction, one that I hope comes true. However, I have to be realistic and given the track record I am not too hopeful.