[ben_w]

20 years ago, I studied philosphy.

Can you define "knowledge"?

We had the tripartite definition, a "justified true belief", and the argument against it exemplified by a person looking at a fluffy white creature in a field and justifiably saying that they know there is a sheep in this field, but unbeknownst to them what they're looking at is a komondor and though there is a sheep elsewhere in the field it is not visible from where they are.

I think there is only belief, that we can have degrees of certainty about our beliefs but there is no way to transition to P(1) or P(0), and no specific probability other than 0 and 1 where we can reliably say that we "know" something to be true or false.

[evgwugegwhwgeg]

Knowledge is seeing a white pattern in visual field.

Belief is labeling the pattern and calling it a sheep.

Belief is also the labeling the pattern a Komondor.

Belief is thinking there is a person seeing the sheep.

[ben_w]

> Knowledge is seeing a white pattern in visual field.

That definition classifies every dream I have dreamed, every video I've seen, every game I've played, as "knowledge".

If anything, it is an easier thing to dismiss than the examples you give as "beliefs".

See "naive realism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism

[evgwugegwhwgeg]

Can beliefs exist without sensory inputs?

Also isn't dismissal also just another belief?

[ben_w]

1. Dreams, so probably yes

2. I'm saying everything is