[mgblogg]

> if you take rewards, bribery, force, domination and manipulation ...

That is a big "if". It works on the family level, but in the real world babbling is coupled with dominance, coercion, blackmail, exploitation etc.

It is easy to see in any average company that no one believes the babbler but is forced to listen to them and applaud.

[sulandor]

though the shared disdain for the babbler creates a "common enemy" which is probably better than being forced to work directly