[cs702]

Well, I understand how it works, and I still find it freaking amazing. The quality is... impressive.

On the flip side, the ability to deep-fake a face in real time on a video call is now accessible to pretty much every script kiddie out there.

In other words, you can no longer trust what your eyes see on video calls.

We live in interesting times.

[Xeoncross]

It's interesting, because the subconscious ability of the mind to identify discrepancies is incredible (even if we ignore that feeling we get about something).

The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit.

I think deep-fakes are mostly a danger to people without a lot of source material for their minds to compare against. You could trick me into believing I was taking with Elon, but not my son.

[cs702]

The key take-away, for me, is that I should "keep my guard up" on any video call about money or other important matters, even if other participants on the call are colleagues, friends, or relatives. There are no guarantees of authenticity anymore. My new motto for video calls is "trust by verify."

[cs702]

*"trust but verify"

[emsign]

What if that source material for young brains gets more and more contaminated with artificial junk?

[despideme]

There’s interesting ambiguity in this comment. I interpret the comment as saying, “I could be tricked by a deepfake of a stranger due to a lack of experience with their ‘true’ behaviors, but would not be tricked so easily when it’s someone I know well.”

Others here seem to be interpreting the statement as, “I could be tricked because I am an older person, while a younger person would not be so easily deceived.”

[reaperducer]

You could trick me into believing I was taking with Elon, but not my son.

And yet there have been several recent studies that show the younger someone is, the more likely they are to be scammed online.

> In 2021, Gen Xers, Millennials, and Gen Z young adults (ages 18-59) were 34% more likely than older adults (ages 60 and over) to report losing money to fraud,[1] and some types of fraud stood out. Younger adults reported losses to online shopping fraud – which often started with an ad on social media – far more often than any other fraud type, and most said they simply did not get the items they ordered.[2] Younger adults were over four times more likely than older adults to report a loss on an investment scam.[3] Most of these were bogus cryptocurrency investment opportunities.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/data-visualizations/data-spo...

[vincnetas]

i fell victim to such scam this year (first time i got scammed over 40 years). Key factor was that i got link to scam shop not from social ad but from my wife :) she got it from insta ad. So basically my wife scammed me :)

[bsmithers]

> And yet there have been several recent studies that show the younger someone is, the more likely they are to be scammed online.

I think you are misreading the post. Pretty sure they meant

you could trick me into believing I was talking with Elon, but you could not trick me into believing I was talking with my son

To which I agree personally, though I don't know how universal this is.

[dexterdog]

Older people are less likely to invest in high risk, high yield.

[Rinzler89]

Older people are less likely to have their entire personas and private lives fully documented on social media.

[eltoxo]

Younger people really should consider this point.

Personally, I don't use streaming video outside of work and there are no videos of me on youtube or any social media to train a model on even if someone wanted to.

My mother in her 70s doesn't even have a debit card. She thinks the idea is ridiculous and insecure. She writes paper checks and that is it. To put her account number on an electronic device would be completely unthinkable.

While the average older person might be more easily confused by social engineering the attack surface for an electronic scam is so tiny compared to the average younger person.

[mh-]

> She writes paper checks and that is it. To put her account number on an electronic device would be completely unthinkable.

But she's handing a plaintext copy of her account number to everyone she pays with a check..

[bsenftner]

Only one photo is needed. I've not looked deep into this specific project, but speaking as an early developer of likeness transfer trained algorithms, only one image is needed, and it can even be a crude sketch - but if one's true likeness is captured by an image it can be recreated in full 3D. The catch is an individual's specific facial expressions, such as the real individual has a slightly lopsided smile, or they have smile dimples, or simply their characteristic at rest facial positions are absent, so they don't look like themselves to those that know them.

[reaperducer]

She writes paper checks and that is it.

As my accountant says: "For every person in your neighborhood committing check fraud, there are ten-thousand people around the world trying to steal your money online."

[1659447091]

> You could trick me into believing I was taking with Elon, but not my son.

This was my thought about people in general, until more and more stories came out about the phone scammers pretending to be a grandson/daughter/family-member in need of a wire transfer/money to get them out of trouble. I still find it difficult to believe those are real scams that seem to work. This will probably escalate those even more with more people going to video calls. The panic of a loved one/child will not create a calm enough mind for thinking "hey maybe this is a deepfake" in most parents, atleast from my observations.

[edanm]

> The feel of counterfeit bills, the color someone choose to wear, the sound that doesn't quite fit.

You think there are no counterfeit bills that feel exactly the same as the real thing? Pretty sure you're wrong.

[Bluecobra]

Indeed. Just recently a company got fooled into hiring a remote employee who turned out a North Korean hacker:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/07/us-security-firm...

[exe34]

I recommend setting up code words with people. I haven't gone that far myself yet, but in my mind, there are clear phrases I could say to the people in my life that they would be convinced it was me. Unfortunately, until I have the specific talk with them, I suppose anybody could impersonate me to them.

[ibejoeb]

It's got a lot of uncanny valley going on. Zuck looks like a corpse. I'm sure it could fool some people, but I'm not terrified yet.

[emsign]

Post-truthism has reached live video and is accessible to everyone. Turns out it's still only a few weirdos who love to use it for grifting purposes. I think most normal people are like "what do I need this crazy sh*t for?"