[mistermann]

> If humans cannot possibly be objective

What if we were to try?

Humans also could not run a 4-minute mile, or build a machine that can fly.

[Levitz]

And in that sense, we can't.

One person doing something and that something being the norm are wildly different asks.

[mistermann]

I agree: if something requires trying, and we are unable to try, then we will surely not succeed. (And I agree we do not try, but perhaps it requires trying to try, or something weird like that.)

But then look at all we've achieved, and sometimes all it takes is one or two people to try and a new movement is catalyzed, gaining steam over time.

Optimism can also be helpful.