[keiferski]

Yes I think most people here aren’t considering the fact that technology is rarely evenly distributed.

Rawls’ veil of ignorance is relevant here:

In the original position, you are asked to consider which principles you would select for the basic structure of society, but you must select as if you had no knowledge ahead of time what position you would end up having in that society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position

[BenFranklin100]

Except in the short term, technology is one of the few things that almost always ends being distributed evenly. 2000 years ago, the only way to get running water was to be Ceaser and command a slave, “Go run and get me water.” Now one turns a tap. Similar arguments can be made to innovations ranging from household appliances to medical advances that were only available to the wealthy 50 years ago.

You also overestimate the power of entrenched interests and underestimate the political agency of those who live in a functioning democracy.

[wizzwizz4]

Ancient Romans had tap water. We get the word "plumbing" from Latin. Also, from https://www.unesco.org/reports/wwdr/en/2024/s:

> As of 2022, 2.2 billion people were without access to safely managed drinking water (SDG Target 6.1).

I don't think this invalidates your general point, but your specific example is wrong.

[BenFranklin100]

Thanks for the comment. The Roman water system is indeed a marvel and did vastly facilitate access to water for the masses. Specifically though, I was referring to having easy access to tap water within one’s home. That, to my knowledge, was not common, whereas today nearly everyone in the first and second world has that [1].

[1] “It was very rare for a pipe to supply water directly to the home of a private citizen, since Romans would have to acquire an official authorization to validate the direct tap. Water mostly serviced the ground floor in buildings, rarely supplying the upper floors due to the difficulty this would provide in the gravity-powered system. Residents of apartment buildings who lived in the upper floors would have to carry water upstairs and store it in their rooms for sanitary uses” from https://engineeringrome.org/the-water-system-of-ancient-rome....

And yes, there is still many parts of the world still in poverty, but that is changing rapidly and doesn’t change the larger point that technology, by and large, democratizes and filters to the poor.

[keiferski]

In broad strokes, you are correct, however in this case specifically I'm not so sure. Access to healthcare today is extremely unequal. I really doubt it'll become less unequal when immortality is on the line.

[BenFranklin100]

Unequal or not, the the bottom quarter today have better health care than the top quarter 75 years ago. Technology filters down to the masses. We can discuss timelines, but the basic fact is indisputable.

You have provided no evidence that the diffusion of technology will be different under an extended lifespan regime. You just make a bald statement.

[keiferski]

I'm not sure how that is an argument against my initial comment. So the advancements will supposedly drift down to the lower classes over time. Society will still be unequal, and at that point the people with access to the best longevity tech will already be in power.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to provide evidence of a future speculative event, but as I said, more life is about as strong as an incentive as is possible. There are plenty of examples of powerful technology that didn't become more accessible. Nuclear weapons as a prime example.

Now I don't think longevity tech, if such a thing is even possible (and I'm skeptical) will be as restricted as nuclear weapons. But to think that there won't be massive inequalities in access to it + strong power incentives to not distribute it seems naive to me.

[BenFranklin100]

If you put nuclear weapons and extended lifespans in the same bucket, you’ve lost the script. Good night.